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Next Saturday, she could become the Next Saturday, she could become the first great American athlete to retire first great American athlete to retire first great American athlete to retire undefeated in more than half a century undefeated in more than half a century undefeated in more than half a century since Rocky Marciano stepped down from since Rocky Marciano stepped down from since Rocky Marciano stepped down from the ring. Her name is Anyatam. She's six the ring. Her name is Anyatam. She's six the ring. Her name is Anyatam. She's six years old and she's a thoroughbred. She years old and she's a thoroughbred. She years old and she's a thoroughbred. She has run in 19 races. She has won 19 has run in 19 races. She has won 19 has run in 19 races. She has won 19 races. Now she's going for number 20 at races. Now she's going for number 20 at races. Now she's going for number 20 at what many believe is the most what many believe is the most what many believe is the most prestigious competition of the year, the prestigious competition of the year, the prestigious competition of the year, the Breeders Cup Classic. Some of the best Breeders Cup Classic. Some of the best Breeders Cup Classic. Some of the best horses from around the world will be horses from around the world will be horses from around the world will be running at Churchill Downs and they're running at Churchill Downs and they're running at Churchill Downs and they're all males except for Zenyatta. At the all males except for Zenyatta. At the all males except for Zenyatta. At the age of six, she'll also be the oldest age of six, she'll also be the oldest age of six, she'll also be the oldest horse in the race. The stakes are horse in the race. The stakes are horse in the race. The stakes are extremely high and not just in millions extremely high and not just in millions extremely high and not just in millions of dollars. Zenyatta is so adored by of dollars. Zenyatta is so adored by of dollars. Zenyatta is so adored by horse lovers that if she doesn't beat horse lovers that if she doesn't beat horse lovers that if she doesn't beat the boys and win one last time, hearts the boys and win one last time, hearts the boys and win one last time, hearts will be broken everywhere. It would be will be broken everywhere. It would be will be broken everywhere. It would be Babe Ruth striking out in his last at Babe Ruth striking out in his last at Babe Ruth striking out in his last at bat. bat. bat. Her life story can be told in one line. Her life story can be told in one line. Her life story can be told in one line. She does not know how to lose. But the She does not know how to lose. But the She does not know how to lose. But the first thing we noticed about Zenyatta first thing we noticed about Zenyatta first thing we noticed about Zenyatta was not her might, but her magnificence.

was not her might, but her magnificence. was not her might, but her magnificence. She's quite simply the most splendid She's quite simply the most splendid She's quite simply the most splendid creature we'd ever seen. She's big for a creature we'd ever seen. She's big for a creature we'd ever seen. She's big for a mare, taller than most of the boys in mare, taller than most of the boys in mare, taller than most of the boys in the stable, and very calm. Thoroughbreds the stable, and very calm. Thoroughbreds the stable, and very calm. Thoroughbreds are supposed to be highrung and are supposed to be highrung and are supposed to be highrung and hot-blooded, but there's something zen hot-blooded, but there's something zen hot-blooded, but there's something zen about Zenyatta. She loves kids and about Zenyatta. She loves kids and about Zenyatta. She loves kids and welcomes strangers, particularly when welcomes strangers, particularly when welcomes strangers, particularly when they come bearing gifts. When she hits the track though, there is When she hits the track though, there is a personality change you can barely a personality change you can barely a personality change you can barely believe. She becomes obsessed, it seems, believe. She becomes obsessed, it seems, believe. She becomes obsessed, it seems, with showing the boys that she is faster with showing the boys that she is faster with showing the boys that she is faster and tougher than any one of them. She and tougher than any one of them. She and tougher than any one of them. She drives people into fits of frenzy. This drives people into fits of frenzy. This drives people into fits of frenzy. This was last year's Breeders Cup. was last year's Breeders Cup. was last year's Breeders Cup. >> Zenyatta coming flying on the grand >> Zenyatta coming flying on the grand >> Zenyatta coming flying on the grand stand side. Gio Ponti on the inside. stand side. Gio Ponti on the inside. stand side. Gio Ponti on the inside. Summer Bird is right there. This is Summer Bird is right there. This is Summer Bird is right there. This is unbelievable. unbelievable. unbelievable. Zen Yata. Her Hall of Fame jockey, Mike Zen Yata. Her Hall of Fame jockey, Mike Zen Yata. Her Hall of Fame jockey, Mike Smith, has won all the races in the Smith, has won all the races in the Smith, has won all the races in the Triple Crown and nearly 5,000 more.

Triple Crown and nearly 5,000 more. Triple Crown and nearly 5,000 more. >> How does Zenyatta compare to the other >> How does Zenyatta compare to the other >> How does Zenyatta compare to the other horses you've been on who won these horses you've been on who won these horses you've been on who won these championship races? championship races? championship races? >> She means more to me than all of us. >> She means more to me than all of us. >> She means more to me than all of us. >> And can you explain why? >> And can you explain why? >> And can you explain why? >> She's just who she is. She's Dinata. >> She's just who she is. She's Dinata. >> She's just who she is. She's Dinata. She's incredible. She's unbeaten. She's She's incredible. She's unbeaten. She's She's incredible. She's unbeaten. She's done everything that we've ever asked of done everything that we've ever asked of done everything that we've ever asked of her. her. her. >> Will history be made next week? >> Will history be made next week? >> Will history be made next week? >> She's ready. [snorts] I'll be ready. >> She's ready. [snorts] I'll be ready. >> She's ready. [snorts] I'll be ready. She's ready. She's ready. She's ready. Like I said before, given the Like I said before, given the Like I said before, given the opportunity, I think we could see opportunity, I think we could see opportunity, I think we could see something incredible. something incredible. something incredible. >> Where does she live? Where else? >> Where does she live? Where else? >> Where does she live? Where else? Hollywood. And at more than 12,200 lb, Hollywood. And at more than 12,200 lb, Hollywood. And at more than 12,200 lb, she's the biggest star in town. The she's the biggest star in town. The she's the biggest star in town. The camera loves her, and she loves the camera loves her, and she loves the camera loves her, and she loves the camera. Before every race, she poses and camera. Before every race, she poses and camera. Before every race, she poses and struts and does a little dance. But once struts and does a little dance. But once struts and does a little dance. But once on the track, she's a Ferrari racing on the track, she's a Ferrari racing on the track, she's a Ferrari racing against a pack of Volvos. against a pack of Volvos. against a pack of Volvos. >> She's got A CHANCE TO GUN THEM BOTH >> She's got A CHANCE TO GUN THEM BOTH >> She's got A CHANCE TO GUN THEM BOTH DOWN. AND HERE SHE COMES. Long DOWN. AND HERE SHE COMES. Long DOWN. AND HERE SHE COMES. Long >> track announcer Vick Ster has called >> track announcer Vick Ster has called >> track announcer Vick Ster has called Zenyatta's races from the very start, Zenyatta's races from the very start, Zenyatta's races from the very start, which is when she was just another which is when she was just another which is when she was just another horse.

horse. horse. >> And the bad start has Zenyatta at the >> And the bad start has Zenyatta at the >> And the bad start has Zenyatta at the back of the pack. back of the pack. back of the pack. >> That's where Zenyatta has always started >> That's where Zenyatta has always started >> That's where Zenyatta has always started in the back, lingering languidly as if in the back, lingering languidly as if in the back, lingering languidly as if she's on a Sunday outing. But then she she's on a Sunday outing. But then she she's on a Sunday outing. But then she turns up the juice and slams into high turns up the juice and slams into high turns up the juice and slams into high gear. gear. gear. >> Zenyatta runs up outside of her and >> Zenyatta runs up outside of her and >> Zenyatta runs up outside of her and draws within a length of the lead. draws within a length of the lead. draws within a length of the lead. >> Vick Ster realized early on that this >> Vick Ster realized early on that this >> Vick Ster realized early on that this was one fast girl with a hell of a was one fast girl with a hell of a was one fast girl with a hell of a future. future. future. >> Here's a future superstar. Zenyatta. >> Here's a future superstar. Zenyatta. >> Here's a future superstar. Zenyatta. Wow. And that's when you knew you were Wow. And that's when you knew you were Wow. And that's when you knew you were really looking at something very really looking at something very really looking at something very special. special. special. >> She always comes from behind. >> She always comes from behind. >> She always comes from behind. [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] You ever go a little bit crazy when You ever go a little bit crazy when You ever go a little bit crazy when she's way behind she's way behind she's way behind >> again? Yeah. because I've become a fan >> again? Yeah. because I've become a fan >> again? Yeah. because I've become a fan and I've rooted for her, but that's just and I've rooted for her, but that's just and I've rooted for her, but that's just all part of the theater of her. Um, she all part of the theater of her. Um, she all part of the theater of her. Um, she passes them all and I have a feeling passes them all and I have a feeling passes them all and I have a feeling that if there were 10 more in front of that if there were 10 more in front of that if there were 10 more in front of her, she'd just pass them. her, she'd just pass them. her, she'd just pass them. >> And I think that's what keeps her keeps >> And I think that's what keeps her keeps >> And I think that's what keeps her keeps her sound and keeps her happy is that uh her sound and keeps her happy is that uh her sound and keeps her happy is that uh she only does what she has to do. she only does what she has to do. she only does what she has to do. >> So, you might not have been on her at >> So, you might not have been on her at >> So, you might not have been on her at her fastest yet. her fastest yet. her fastest yet. >> I truly don't believe I have. I've >> I truly don't believe I have. I've >> I truly don't believe I have. I've always in every race that I've ridden always in every race that I've ridden always in every race that I've ridden her in, I've always felt that there was her in, I've always felt that there was her in, I've always felt that there was another gear if I needed it.

another gear if I needed it. another gear if I needed it. >> Maybe Saturday. >> Maybe Saturday. >> Maybe Saturday. I think we're going to see something I think we're going to see something I think we're going to see something really special. really special. really special. >> But her beginnings did not seem special >> But her beginnings did not seem special >> But her beginnings did not seem special at all. The only thing remarkable about at all. The only thing remarkable about at all. The only thing remarkable about her was [clears throat] her price. She her was [clears throat] her price. She her was [clears throat] her price. She was bought at an auction when she was was bought at an auction when she was was bought at an auction when she was one year old for only $60,000. one year old for only $60,000. one year old for only $60,000. Jean Sheriff's has been her trainer ever Jean Sheriff's has been her trainer ever Jean Sheriff's has been her trainer ever since. since. since. >> We were just really blessed and >> We were just really blessed and >> We were just really blessed and fortunate. fortunate. fortunate. >> How'd you get her so cheap? Well, I I >> How'd you get her so cheap? Well, I I >> How'd you get her so cheap? Well, I I think because she had skin disease, think because she had skin disease, think because she had skin disease, which was she had a form of ringworm, so which was she had a form of ringworm, so which was she had a form of ringworm, so she wasn't particularly attractive at she wasn't particularly attractive at she wasn't particularly attractive at the sale. the sale. the sale. >> She had a rash. >> She had a rash. >> She had a rash. >> Had a rash. >> Had a rash. >> Had a rash. >> So, it's been from rash to riches. >> So, it's been from rash to riches. >> So, it's been from rash to riches. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I don't quite believe I said that. >> I don't quite believe I said that. >> I don't quite believe I said that. >> Under John Sheriff's, Zenyatta has won >> Under John Sheriff's, Zenyatta has won >> Under John Sheriff's, Zenyatta has won more than $6 million, but she was a late more than $6 million, but she was a late more than $6 million, but she was a late starter, not ready, and too immature, starter, not ready, and too immature, starter, not ready, and too immature, sheriff's thought, to run in the big sheriff's thought, to run in the big sheriff's thought, to run in the big races when she was a little kid. races when she was a little kid. races when she was a little kid. when she was 3 years old, why didn't you when she was 3 years old, why didn't you when she was 3 years old, why didn't you race her in the Kentucky Derby?

race her in the Kentucky Derby? race her in the Kentucky Derby? >> Uh, you know, she wasn't as a >> Uh, you know, she wasn't as a >> Uh, you know, she wasn't as a three-year-old, she she wasn't ready to three-year-old, she she wasn't ready to three-year-old, she she wasn't ready to race. You know, it took her a long time race. You know, it took her a long time race. You know, it took her a long time to u to mature into into the horse she to u to mature into into the horse she to u to mature into into the horse she is now, and uh we just had to be patient is now, and uh we just had to be patient is now, and uh we just had to be patient with her. with her. with her. >> Sheriff gave Zenyatta time to grow up >> Sheriff gave Zenyatta time to grow up >> Sheriff gave Zenyatta time to grow up and he insisted on doing it at his own and he insisted on doing it at his own and he insisted on doing it at his own pace without ever losing his temper. He pace without ever losing his temper. He pace without ever losing his temper. He thinks horses know when people are tense thinks horses know when people are tense thinks horses know when people are tense and they don't like it. We spent nearly and they don't like it. We spent nearly and they don't like it. We spent nearly a week with Zenyatta and for a celebrity a week with Zenyatta and for a celebrity a week with Zenyatta and for a celebrity of her stature, we had unusual access. of her stature, we had unusual access. of her stature, we had unusual access. We could watch her beauty treatments in We could watch her beauty treatments in We could watch her beauty treatments in the morning, the bandaging of her legs the morning, the bandaging of her legs the morning, the bandaging of her legs in the afternoon. We hung out with her in the afternoon. We hung out with her in the afternoon. We hung out with her on the lawn, which was planted just for on the lawn, which was planted just for on the lawn, which was planted just for her. her. her. >> That's what's so amazing about her is >> That's what's so amazing about her is >> That's what's so amazing about her is she chooses to be gentle all the time. she chooses to be gentle all the time. she chooses to be gentle all the time. Zenyatta's owners, Anne and Jerry Moss, Zenyatta's owners, Anne and Jerry Moss, Zenyatta's owners, Anne and Jerry Moss, who made their fortune in the music who made their fortune in the music who made their fortune in the music business, business, business, >> know how to pamper their starlet. >> know how to pamper their starlet. >> know how to pamper their starlet. >> She's touched and handled by 14 Oh, at >> She's touched and handled by 14 Oh, at >> She's touched and handled by 14 Oh, at least 14 people a day. least 14 people a day. least 14 people a day. >> She's touched by 14 people a day.

>> She's touched by 14 people a day. >> She's touched by 14 people a day. >> Over 14. Yes. At least 14 people a day. >> Over 14. Yes. At least 14 people a day. >> Over 14. Yes. At least 14 people a day. >> And there's somebody with her 24 hours a >> And there's somebody with her 24 hours a >> And there's somebody with her 24 hours a day. day. day. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> It's pretty cozy. >> It's pretty cozy. >> It's pretty cozy. >> Yeah, [laughter] >> Yeah, [laughter] >> Yeah, [laughter] >> that is. >> that is. >> that is. >> But the training on the track is >> But the training on the track is >> But the training on the track is regimented and rigorous. 5 days a week, regimented and rigorous. 5 days a week, regimented and rigorous. 5 days a week, Jean Sheriff's have Zenyatta run at a Jean Sheriff's have Zenyatta run at a Jean Sheriff's have Zenyatta run at a moderately slow pace. She doesn't like moderately slow pace. She doesn't like moderately slow pace. She doesn't like slow, so her exercise rider has to use slow, so her exercise rider has to use slow, so her exercise rider has to use all his strength to hold her back. Then all his strength to hold her back. Then all his strength to hold her back. Then once a week, she's let loose, but even once a week, she's let loose, but even once a week, she's let loose, but even now, Mike Smith says she's not nearly at now, Mike Smith says she's not nearly at now, Mike Smith says she's not nearly at full throttle. full throttle. full throttle. >> What does it feel like being on her? >> What does it feel like being on her? >> What does it feel like being on her? >> You know, there's just so much power. >> You know, there's just so much power. >> You know, there's just so much power. She's so athletic for such a big, big She's so athletic for such a big, big She's so athletic for such a big, big horse, so she's just amazing. horse, so she's just amazing. horse, so she's just amazing. How does it feel when she starts her How does it feel when she starts her How does it feel when she starts her surge? surge? surge? >> It's uh it's pretty amazing because in a >> It's uh it's pretty amazing because in a >> It's uh it's pretty amazing because in a matter of two or three jumps, she can matter of two or three jumps, she can matter of two or three jumps, she can make up close to 10 lengths. make up close to 10 lengths. make up close to 10 lengths. >> It's even more stunning from the >> It's even more stunning from the >> It's even more stunning from the Jackie's perspective. As you can see Jackie's perspective. As you can see Jackie's perspective. As you can see from these pictures taken by a camera from these pictures taken by a camera from these pictures taken by a camera Mike Smith agreed to wear on his helmet.

>> It's just it's it's wild. It's >> It's just it's it's wild. It's mindboggling. mindboggling. mindboggling. >> And who decides when she starts a surge? >> And who decides when she starts a surge? >> And who decides when she starts a surge? Is it you or is it her? It's me most of Is it you or is it her? It's me most of Is it you or is it her? It's me most of the time, but it's also her at times. the time, but it's also her at times. the time, but it's also her at times. She's like a loaded gun. When you pull She's like a loaded gun. When you pull She's like a loaded gun. When you pull the trigger, I mean, it's she's going to the trigger, I mean, it's she's going to the trigger, I mean, it's she's going to fire. fire. fire. >> And every day after the workout, it's >> And every day after the workout, it's >> And every day after the workout, it's lunchtime. lunchtime. lunchtime. >> Here's a question I think trainers all >> Here's a question I think trainers all >> Here's a question I think trainers all over the world will want to hear your over the world will want to hear your over the world will want to hear your answer to. What do you feed her? answer to. What do you feed her? answer to. What do you feed her? [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Well, you know, we give her oats and >> Well, you know, we give her oats and >> Well, you know, we give her oats and hay. hay. hay. >> Come on. [laughter] >> Come on. [laughter] >> Come on. [laughter] Come on. You don't expect people to Come on. You don't expect people to Come on. You don't expect people to believe that. believe that. believe that. Um, well, okay. So, we we uh we add a Um, well, okay. So, we we uh we add a Um, well, okay. So, we we uh we add a little bit of uh aloe vera juice, right? little bit of uh aloe vera juice, right? little bit of uh aloe vera juice, right? We give her aloe vera juice because it's We give her aloe vera juice because it's We give her aloe vera juice because it's good for their stomachs. And then if good for their stomachs. And then if good for their stomachs. And then if she's been really good, I could pop open she's been really good, I could pop open she's been really good, I could pop open a Guinness and she could have a beer in a Guinness and she could have a beer in a Guinness and she could have a beer in the afternoon. the afternoon. the afternoon. >> Give her a beer. >> Give her a beer. >> Give her a beer. >> Yeah. >> And she likes it. >> And she likes it. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Just one? >> Just one? >> Just one? >> Usually just one. I wonder how she'd >> Usually just one. I wonder how she'd >> Usually just one. I wonder how she'd react if you gave her a different beer.

react if you gave her a different beer. react if you gave her a different beer. >> I've tried that. >> I've tried that. >> I've tried that. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Yeah. And Guinnesses is very expensive. >> Yeah. And Guinnesses is very expensive. >> Yeah. And Guinnesses is very expensive. She won't do it. [laughter] She won't do it. [laughter] She won't do it. [laughter] >> Talk about a high class horse. >> Talk about a high class horse. >> Talk about a high class horse. >> Yeah. She just won't she won't accept >> Yeah. She just won't she won't accept >> Yeah. She just won't she won't accept it, you know. It's got to be the stout. it, you know. It's got to be the stout. it, you know. It's got to be the stout. >> And that's perfectly okay because John >> And that's perfectly okay because John >> And that's perfectly okay because John Sheriff is happy to let her be a Sheriff is happy to let her be a Sheriff is happy to let her be a primadana primadana primadana >> when she's >> when she's >> when she's playing to the crowd. playing to the crowd. playing to the crowd. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> How do you see it? What physical >> How do you see it? What physical >> How do you see it? What physical manifestation is there? manifestation is there? manifestation is there? >> Well, she gets very bright, you know. >> Well, she gets very bright, you know. >> Well, she gets very bright, you know. She she puffs herself up, you know. She She she puffs herself up, you know. She She she puffs herself up, you know. She looks very strong and her and her eyes looks very strong and her and her eyes looks very strong and her and her eyes seem to, you know, stick out a little seem to, you know, stick out a little seem to, you know, stick out a little bit and and she's just really bright and bit and and she's just really bright and bit and and she's just really bright and alert. Her ears are extremely, you know, alert. Her ears are extremely, you know, alert. Her ears are extremely, you know, her ears are like this. She's just her ears are like this. She's just her ears are like this. She's just listening for anything. Look over here. listening for anything. Look over here. listening for anything. Look over here. Look over there. You know, she's just Look over there. You know, she's just Look over there. You know, she's just she's really into it. She's her whole she's really into it. She's her whole she's really into it. She's her whole focus is on what's going on around her. focus is on what's going on around her. focus is on what's going on around her. You really think that when she's You really think that when she's You really think that when she's prancing before the crowd and sticking prancing before the crowd and sticking prancing before the crowd and sticking her ears up, you really think she knows her ears up, you really think she knows her ears up, you really think she knows what she's doing?

what she's doing? what she's doing? >> Absolutely. Yeah, there's no doubt about >> Absolutely. Yeah, there's no doubt about >> Absolutely. Yeah, there's no doubt about it. You know, it. You know, it. You know, >> this is Hollywood. >> this is Hollywood. >> this is Hollywood. >> There's no doubt about it. No, she she >> There's no doubt about it. No, she she >> There's no doubt about it. No, she she just um she just feeds off of it. just um she just feeds off of it. just um she just feeds off of it. >> And the magazines feed off of her. >> And the magazines feed off of her. >> And the magazines feed off of her. Zenyatta is profiled this month in W Zenyatta is profiled this month in W Zenyatta is profiled this month in W magazine. Oprah calls her one of 20 magazine. Oprah calls her one of 20 magazine. Oprah calls her one of 20 women rocking the world. The editors women rocking the world. The editors women rocking the world. The editors didn't try to interview Zenyatta, but didn't try to interview Zenyatta, but didn't try to interview Zenyatta, but John Sher says he talks to horses all John Sher says he talks to horses all John Sher says he talks to horses all the time. the time. the time. >> Horses are really special. I mean, you >> Horses are really special. I mean, you >> Horses are really special. I mean, you can talk to them. You can work out your can talk to them. You can work out your can talk to them. You can work out your problems with them. problems with them. problems with them. >> How do you communicate? What do you >> How do you communicate? What do you >> How do you communicate? What do you communicate with Zenyatta? communicate with Zenyatta? communicate with Zenyatta? >> Yeah. Well, you know, when you look up >> Yeah. Well, you know, when you look up >> Yeah. Well, you know, when you look up into her face and look at her eyes and into her face and look at her eyes and into her face and look at her eyes and you just say, you know, you're doing you just say, you know, you're doing you just say, you know, you're doing great. You're the best ever. Thank you great. You're the best ever. Thank you great. You're the best ever. Thank you for everything you've given me. And just for everything you've given me. And just for everything you've given me. And just see that really kind look. You know, you see that really kind look. You know, you see that really kind look. You know, you have a feeling that she's actually have a feeling that she's actually have a feeling that she's actually understanding. understanding. understanding. >> Maybe she is. >> Maybe she is. >> Maybe she is. >> Yeah. Yeah. You have to believe it, >> Yeah. Yeah. You have to believe it, >> Yeah. Yeah. You have to believe it, don't you? You know, don't you? You know, don't you? You know, >> the Breeders Cup is the richest race in >> the Breeders Cup is the richest race in >> the Breeders Cup is the richest race in the country. If Zenyatta wins Saturday the country. If Zenyatta wins Saturday the country. If Zenyatta wins Saturday for the second year in a row, she'll for the second year in a row, she'll for the second year in a row, she'll take home another $3 million. And that's take home another $3 million. And that's take home another $3 million. And that's not all. This $60,000 Philly will be not all. This $60,000 Philly will be not all. This $60,000 Philly will be lifted into another sphere.

lifted into another sphere. lifted into another sphere. >> I think she could argue arguably go down >> I think she could argue arguably go down >> I think she could argue arguably go down as one of the greatest, if not the as one of the greatest, if not the as one of the greatest, if not the greatest horse of all times. greatest horse of all times. greatest horse of all times. >> The greatest horse of all time. >> The greatest horse of all time. >> The greatest horse of all time. >> Definitely >> Definitely >> Definitely >> better than Secretary. >> better than Secretary. >> better than Secretary. >> Well, if we can pull it off, she's never >> Well, if we can pull it off, she's never >> Well, if we can pull it off, she's never been beaten, so how can you argue with been beaten, so how can you argue with been beaten, so how can you argue with perfection? You know, perfection? You know, perfection? You know, >> she'll be the oldest horse in Saturday's >> she'll be the oldest horse in Saturday's >> she'll be the oldest horse in Saturday's race. And when she goes into the final race. And when she goes into the final race. And when she goes into the final stretch and crosses that wire, the stretch and crosses that wire, the stretch and crosses that wire, the curtain will fall and there will be no curtain will fall and there will be no curtain will fall and there will be no encors. She's going to have a good life encors. She's going to have a good life encors. She's going to have a good life after this. Green pastures, motherhood. after this. Green pastures, motherhood. after this. Green pastures, motherhood. >> Yeah. They they often talk about who >> Yeah. They they often talk about who >> Yeah. They they often talk about who they'd breed her to. And I've always they'd breed her to. And I've always they'd breed her to. And I've always said no one's worthy. said no one's worthy. said no one's worthy. >> No man is worthy of no Zenyatta. >> No man is worthy of no Zenyatta. >> No man is worthy of no Zenyatta. >> No. >> No. >> No. Not at all. Not even close. Not at all. Not even close. Not at all. Not even close. Win or lose, Zenyatta will retire after Win or lose, Zenyatta will retire after Win or lose, Zenyatta will retire after Saturday's race. One more indication of Saturday's race. One more indication of Saturday's race. One more indication of how much wiser she is than so many other how much wiser she is than so many other how much wiser she is than so many other Hollywood celebrities. She leaves the Hollywood celebrities. She leaves the Hollywood celebrities. She leaves the game while she's still in her prime game while she's still in her prime game while she's still in her prime before her star begins to wayne. But one before her star begins to wayne. But one before her star begins to wayne. But one can't help wondering when she's in her can't help wondering when she's in her can't help wondering when she's in her green and peaceful pastures whether green and peaceful pastures whether green and peaceful pastures whether she'll miss all this. The tumult of the she'll miss all this. The tumult of the she'll miss all this. The tumult of the track, the clamor of the crowd.

track, the clamor of the crowd. track, the clamor of the crowd. >> Zenyatta on the outside is coming. It's >> Zenyatta on the outside is coming. It's >> Zenyatta on the outside is coming. It's switch and Zenetta. And here's Zenyatta. switch and Zenetta. And here's Zenyatta. switch and Zenetta. And here's Zenyatta. SHE'S FLAWLESS. She's never lost. She's SHE'S FLAWLESS. She's never lost. She's SHE'S FLAWLESS. She's never lost. She's a perfect 19 for9. Legends, lore, the oral tradition. For Legends, lore, the oral tradition. For centuries, they've come stitched into centuries, they've come stitched into centuries, they've come stitched into the Irish national tapestry. Add this the Irish national tapestry. Add this the Irish national tapestry. Add this one to the anthology. The story of one to the anthology. The story of one to the anthology. The story of Shurgar, a champion racehorse, Ireland's Shurgar, a champion racehorse, Ireland's Shurgar, a champion racehorse, Ireland's answer to secretariat who dominated answer to secretariat who dominated answer to secretariat who dominated tracks in the early 80s until he was tracks in the early 80s until he was tracks in the early 80s until he was kidnapped. The crime was thought to be kidnapped. The crime was thought to be kidnapped. The crime was thought to be an Irish Republican Army plot launched an Irish Republican Army plot launched an Irish Republican Army plot launched amid the Troubles, the violent conflict amid the Troubles, the violent conflict amid the Troubles, the violent conflict that convulsed Northern Ireland for 30 that convulsed Northern Ireland for 30 that convulsed Northern Ireland for 30 years. All this time later, the horse years. All this time later, the horse years. All this time later, the horse was never found. No one's been arrested, was never found. No one's been arrested, was never found. No one's been arrested, and one of sport's great unsolved and one of sport's great unsolved and one of sport's great unsolved mysteries has never moved beyond cold mysteries has never moved beyond cold mysteries has never moved beyond cold case status. With central figures dying case status. With central figures dying case status. With central figures dying off and memories fading, we ventured to off and memories fading, we ventured to off and memories fading, we ventured to horse country, not far from Dublin in horse country, not far from Dublin in horse country, not far from Dublin in County Kildair.

County Kildair. County Kildair. A vast carpet of unfurling grass. This A vast carpet of unfurling grass. This A vast carpet of unfurling grass. This is the Kura Gaelic for place of the is the Kura Gaelic for place of the is the Kura Gaelic for place of the running horse. A thousand years ago, kings and chiefs A thousand years ago, kings and chiefs raced chariots here. raced chariots here. raced chariots here. Now it's the beating heart of Ireland's Now it's the beating heart of Ireland's Now it's the beating heart of Ireland's thoroughbred racing industry. The last thoroughbred racing industry. The last thoroughbred racing industry. The last place you peg for the setting of an ill- place you peg for the setting of an ill- place you peg for the setting of an ill- fated kidnapping. fated kidnapping. fated kidnapping. >> Inside the final furong, it is fixation. >> Inside the final furong, it is fixation. >> Inside the final furong, it is fixation. Pulling away from Jano and Touch the Pulling away from Jano and Touch the Pulling away from Jano and Touch the Moon as fixation. Moon as fixation. Moon as fixation. >> Over the last weekend in June, the Kura >> Over the last weekend in June, the Kura >> Over the last weekend in June, the Kura is home to the Irish Derby or Derby as is home to the Irish Derby or Derby as is home to the Irish Derby or Derby as they say here. The best in breed come they say here. The best in breed come they say here. The best in breed come from all over. But in 1981, it was won from all over. But in 1981, it was won from all over. But in 1981, it was won by a local, Shar, born in a nearby by a local, Shar, born in a nearby by a local, Shar, born in a nearby stable. stable. stable. >> And there he is, Shar. >> And there he is, Shar. >> And there he is, Shar. >> And who knew it at the time, but his >> And who knew it at the time, but his >> And who knew it at the time, but his saga was barely getting out of the gate. saga was barely getting out of the gate. saga was barely getting out of the gate. >> And they're off. And here he comes. It's >> And they're off. And here he comes. It's >> And they're off. And here he comes. It's Shar coming on now. Shar marking himself Shar coming on now. Shar marking himself Shar coming on now. Shar marking himself once again. A really great horse. once again. A really great horse. once again. A really great horse. >> Was it easier than you thought it would >> Was it easier than you thought it would >> Was it easier than you thought it would be? That's commentator Derek Thompson be? That's commentator Derek Thompson be? That's commentator Derek Thompson asking the question and trying to keep asking the question and trying to keep asking the question and trying to keep up with Shurgar on his way to another up with Shurgar on his way to another up with Shurgar on his way to another winner circle. What was Shar like up winner circle. What was Shar like up winner circle. What was Shar like up close?

close? close? >> He was just a beautiful mover. He had a >> He was just a beautiful mover. He had a >> He was just a beautiful mover. He had a white face which I think enders him to white face which I think enders him to white face which I think enders him to the crowd. You know, you could see him. the crowd. You know, you could see him. the crowd. You know, you could see him. Hey, that's Shar. As a commentator, you Hey, that's Shar. As a commentator, you Hey, that's Shar. As a commentator, you look for things like that. It was Shar's look for things like that. It was Shar's look for things like that. It was Shar's overwhelming speed and stride that overwhelming speed and stride that overwhelming speed and stride that distinguished him at the 1981 Epsom distinguished him at the 1981 Epsom distinguished him at the 1981 Epsom Derby, England's equivalent of the Derby, England's equivalent of the Derby, England's equivalent of the Kentucky Derby. Kentucky Derby. Kentucky Derby. >> The way he won the derby uh that day at >> The way he won the derby uh that day at >> The way he won the derby uh that day at Epsom, Epsom, Epsom, >> he's on his own >> he's on his own >> he's on his own >> and he won by 10 lens. >> and he won by 10 lens. >> and he won by 10 lens. >> The guy who rode the second horse, he >> The guy who rode the second horse, he >> The guy who rode the second horse, he was longsighted. So, and he couldn't was longsighted. So, and he couldn't was longsighted. So, and he couldn't wear his glasses obviously when he was wear his glasses obviously when he was wear his glasses obviously when he was riding. So, when he passed the post, he riding. So, when he passed the post, he riding. So, when he passed the post, he thought he'd won. Give us a sense where thought he'd won. Give us a sense where thought he'd won. Give us a sense where Shurgard ranks historically among Shurgard ranks historically among Shurgard ranks historically among thoroughbred raceh horses. thoroughbred raceh horses. thoroughbred raceh horses. >> Probably the best of all time. >> Probably the best of all time. >> Probably the best of all time. >> You say that as someone who's seen a lot >> You say that as someone who's seen a lot >> You say that as someone who's seen a lot of racing. of racing. of racing. >> I have and I can tell you and that's >> I have and I can tell you and that's >> I have and I can tell you and that's true. true. true. >> What does the future typically hold for >> What does the future typically hold for >> What does the future typically hold for a horse like Shar once he's done racing a horse like Shar once he's done racing a horse like Shar once he's done racing >> becomes a stallion. All right. And when >> becomes a stallion. All right. And when >> becomes a stallion. All right. And when you become a stallion, you become a very you become a stallion, you become a very you become a stallion, you become a very lucky lad.

lucky lad. lucky lad. >> That is after getting a hero's welcome >> That is after getting a hero's welcome >> That is after getting a hero's welcome back in County Kildair. Shar was put out back in County Kildair. Shar was put out back in County Kildair. Shar was put out to stud. to stud. to stud. >> His highness, the Aakhan. >> His highness, the Aakhan. >> His highness, the Aakhan. >> The other lucky lad, Shgar's owner, the >> The other lucky lad, Shgar's owner, the >> The other lucky lad, Shgar's owner, the late Aakhan, spiritual leader of the late Aakhan, spiritual leader of the late Aakhan, spiritual leader of the Israeli Muslims, one of the richest Israeli Muslims, one of the richest Israeli Muslims, one of the richest royals in the world. He retired Shar to royals in the world. He retired Shar to royals in the world. He retired Shar to Bali Manny Stud Farm, hoping to create a Bali Manny Stud Farm, hoping to create a Bali Manny Stud Farm, hoping to create a dynasty of sorts, syndicating the horse, dynasty of sorts, syndicating the horse, dynasty of sorts, syndicating the horse, selling 40 shares for $250,000 selling 40 shares for $250,000 selling 40 shares for $250,000 each, totaling more than 50 million in each, totaling more than 50 million in each, totaling more than 50 million in today's currency. today's currency. today's currency. But fortunes changed on the night of But fortunes changed on the night of But fortunes changed on the night of February 8th, 1983 when masked men with February 8th, 1983 when masked men with February 8th, 1983 when masked men with guns broke into Bi Manny and kidnapped guns broke into Bi Manny and kidnapped guns broke into Bi Manny and kidnapped Sherar. Sherar. Sherar. >> Belfastbased filmmaker Allison Miller is >> Belfastbased filmmaker Allison Miller is >> Belfastbased filmmaker Allison Miller is one of the few people to interview one of the few people to interview one of the few people to interview Sherar's head groom, Jim Fitzgerald, who Sherar's head groom, Jim Fitzgerald, who Sherar's head groom, Jim Fitzgerald, who was there that night. What was your was there that night. What was your was there that night. What was your impression of him? impression of him? impression of him? >> Oh, Jim. Uh, my impression was that he >> Oh, Jim. Uh, my impression was that he >> Oh, Jim. Uh, my impression was that he was absolutely haunted, traumatized by was absolutely haunted, traumatized by was absolutely haunted, traumatized by the whole experience. the whole experience. the whole experience. >> Never got over the trauma. No, never.

>> Never got over the trauma. No, never. >> Never got over the trauma. No, never. >> Before he died, Fitzgerald opened up to >> Before he died, Fitzgerald opened up to >> Before he died, Fitzgerald opened up to Miller, recalling what happened. She Miller, recalling what happened. She Miller, recalling what happened. She showed us the interview from her showed us the interview from her showed us the interview from her documentary, Searching for Sugar. documentary, Searching for Sugar. documentary, Searching for Sugar. >> Tell me what happened. Can you remember >> Tell me what happened. Can you remember >> Tell me what happened. Can you remember it, Jim? it, Jim? it, Jim? >> I'll tell you now. >> I'll tell you now. >> I'll tell you now. It was in early February and we were in It was in early February and we were in It was in early February and we were in the sitting room and the next thing a the sitting room and the next thing a the sitting room and the next thing a knock come out the door and these knock come out the door and these knock come out the door and these [music] gangsters came in with guns [music] gangsters came in with guns [music] gangsters came in with guns >> and they shouted to everyone, "Get down, >> and they shouted to everyone, "Get down, >> and they shouted to everyone, "Get down, get down." and they put his wife and get down." and they put his wife and get down." and they put his wife and children all down the floor and they children all down the floor and they children all down the floor and they ordered him by gunpoint to come out and ordered him by gunpoint to come out and ordered him by gunpoint to come out and take them down to the stable where Shar take them down to the stable where Shar take them down to the stable where Shar was. Fitzgerald was bundled into a car was. Fitzgerald was bundled into a car was. Fitzgerald was bundled into a car driven about 30 mi from the farm, then driven about 30 mi from the farm, then driven about 30 mi from the farm, then released while the kidnappers made off released while the kidnappers made off released while the kidnappers made off with Sugarar. with Sugarar. with Sugarar. >> He had the gun pointed at his head and >> He had the gun pointed at his head and >> He had the gun pointed at his head and told to get out of the car and shut up. told to get out of the car and shut up. told to get out of the car and shut up. Don't talk about this. This forced Don't talk about this. This forced Don't talk about this. This forced silence was familiar in Northern silence was familiar in Northern silence was familiar in Northern Ireland, a hallmark of the IRA, but Ireland, a hallmark of the IRA, but Ireland, a hallmark of the IRA, but fairly unusual just two hours south in fairly unusual just two hours south in fairly unusual just two hours south in pastoral Kildair. All this occurred pastoral Kildair. All this occurred pastoral Kildair. All this occurred during the the context is the troubles.

during the the context is the troubles. during the the context is the troubles. Describe Northern Ireland at the time. Describe Northern Ireland at the time. Describe Northern Ireland at the time. >> So at the time when Versa was taken, we >> So at the time when Versa was taken, we >> So at the time when Versa was taken, we just come through a period in Northern just come through a period in Northern just come through a period in Northern Ireland where there had been uh many Ireland where there had been uh many Ireland where there had been uh many years of bombings and shootings and years of bombings and shootings and years of bombings and shootings and killings. The sectarian violence rocked Northern The sectarian violence rocked Northern Ireland for almost 30 years, pitting Ireland for almost 30 years, pitting Ireland for almost 30 years, pitting Catholics against Protestants, mostly Catholics against Protestants, mostly Catholics against Protestants, mostly over questions of British rule. The IRA, over questions of British rule. The IRA, over questions of British rule. The IRA, the Catholic paramilitary group, raised the Catholic paramilitary group, raised the Catholic paramilitary group, raised funds for their campaign through bank funds for their campaign through bank funds for their campaign through bank and post office robberies, which and post office robberies, which and post office robberies, which provokes the question, what would the provokes the question, what would the provokes the question, what would the IRA want with a horse? IRA want with a horse? IRA want with a horse? >> Well, Shargo wasn't any horse. He was >> Well, Shargo wasn't any horse. He was >> Well, Shargo wasn't any horse. He was the most expensive horse in the world. the most expensive horse in the world. the most expensive horse in the world. The bank robberies weren't paying off. The bank robberies weren't paying off. The bank robberies weren't paying off. Someone had come up with the idea of Someone had come up with the idea of Someone had come up with the idea of kidnapping Sherar and holding them to kidnapping Sherar and holding them to kidnapping Sherar and holding them to ransom. ransom. ransom. >> This is transactional. This isn't >> This is transactional. This isn't >> This is transactional. This isn't symbolic. This is just pragmatically symbolic. This is just pragmatically symbolic. This is just pragmatically what's going to get us a lot of money. what's going to get us a lot of money. what's going to get us a lot of money. >> They wanted cash for guns. >> They wanted cash for guns. >> They wanted cash for guns. >> When police arrived at Bali Manny the >> When police arrived at Bali Manny the >> When police arrived at Bali Manny the next morning, there were hardly any next morning, there were hardly any next morning, there were hardly any clues. The following day brought an clues. The following day brought an clues. The following day brought an unusual call to Derek Thompson who was unusual call to Derek Thompson who was unusual call to Derek Thompson who was working in London.

working in London. working in London. >> The phone went off at 2:00 in the >> The phone went off at 2:00 in the >> The phone went off at 2:00 in the morning. This is a press association in morning. This is a press association in morning. This is a press association in Fleet Street, which is the main Fleet Street, which is the main Fleet Street, which is the main hub of newspapers. The kidnappers of hub of newspapers. The kidnappers of hub of newspapers. The kidnappers of Shogar want to talk to you. Said what Shogar want to talk to you. Said what Shogar want to talk to you. Said what you they want you to fly out to to you they want you to fly out to to you they want you to fly out to to Belfast in the morning. Belfast in the morning. Belfast in the morning. >> Unlikely hostage negotiators, Thompson >> Unlikely hostage negotiators, Thompson >> Unlikely hostage negotiators, Thompson and two other horse racing journalists and two other horse racing journalists and two other horse racing journalists were summoned to Belfast by the were summoned to Belfast by the were summoned to Belfast by the kidnappers. kidnappers. kidnappers. >> We just jumped out of the taxi and >> We just jumped out of the taxi and >> We just jumped out of the taxi and looked and this was the Europa Hotel, looked and this was the Europa Hotel, looked and this was the Europa Hotel, the most bombed hotel in Europe. And as the most bombed hotel in Europe. And as the most bombed hotel in Europe. And as soon as I walked in, a voice came over soon as I walked in, a voice came over soon as I walked in, a voice came over the uh hotel intercom. Uh, phone call the uh hotel intercom. Uh, phone call the uh hotel intercom. Uh, phone call for Mr. Thompson. for Mr. Thompson. for Mr. Thompson. >> How far is that from Belfast? >> How far is that from Belfast? >> How far is that from Belfast? >> A voice on the other end directed >> A voice on the other end directed >> A voice on the other end directed Thompson to a farmhouse 30 m outside Thompson to a farmhouse 30 m outside Thompson to a farmhouse 30 m outside Belfast. Belfast. Belfast. >> And it was just amazing. For the next 12 >> And it was just amazing. For the next 12 >> And it was just amazing. For the next 12 hours, we had phone call after phone hours, we had phone call after phone hours, we had phone call after phone call. call. call. >> Did they mention a ransom? >> Did they mention a ransom? >> Did they mention a ransom? >> They said things like, "We've got the >> They said things like, "We've got the >> They said things like, "We've got the horse. Uh, we want you to negotiate a horse. Uh, we want you to negotiate a horse. Uh, we want you to negotiate a price for the horse. This is what we price for the horse. This is what we price for the horse. This is what we want. We want the money.

want. We want the money. want. We want the money. >> The Aakhan's office received calls, too. >> The Aakhan's office received calls, too. >> The Aakhan's office received calls, too. Ransom demands kept changing. £40,000 Ransom demands kept changing. £40,000 Ransom demands kept changing. £40,000 one day, 2 million the next. And 3 days one day, 2 million the next. And 3 days one day, 2 million the next. And 3 days after the kidnapping, a vague final call after the kidnapping, a vague final call after the kidnapping, a vague final call to Derek Thompson's camp. to Derek Thompson's camp. to Derek Thompson's camp. >> The horse has had an accident. He's >> The horse has had an accident. He's >> The horse has had an accident. He's dead. And the phone went dead. dead. And the phone went dead. dead. And the phone went dead. >> That was the last contact you had with >> That was the last contact you had with >> That was the last contact you had with the kidnappers. the kidnappers. the kidnappers. >> That's the last we heard. >> That's the last we heard. >> That's the last we heard. >> With a champion stallion missing, the >> With a champion stallion missing, the >> With a champion stallion missing, the investigation continued. Police gave investigation continued. Police gave investigation continued. Police gave daily updates to say not much. daily updates to say not much. daily updates to say not much. >> Are you any further ahead than you were >> Are you any further ahead than you were >> Are you any further ahead than you were yesterday? yesterday? yesterday? >> I regret to say how nice. >> I regret to say how nice. >> I regret to say how nice. [music] [music] [music] >> The country became ever more captivated >> The country became ever more captivated >> The country became ever more captivated by the deepening mystery. Inevitably, an by the deepening mystery. Inevitably, an by the deepening mystery. Inevitably, an Irish folk song followed. Irish folk song followed. Irish folk song followed. [music and singing] >> You baffled all the boys in blue. So, >> You baffled all the boys in blue. So, um, it [music] did become a circus. The um, it [music] did become a circus. The um, it [music] did become a circus. The circus included crimesolving circus included crimesolving circus included crimesolving clairvoyance.

clairvoyance. clairvoyance. >> People kept turning up going, "We're >> People kept turning up going, "We're >> People kept turning up going, "We're going to find the horse." Like, "Hey, going to find the horse." Like, "Hey, going to find the horse." Like, "Hey, I'm Doris and Jimmy, and I'm going to I'm Doris and Jimmy, and I'm going to I'm Doris and Jimmy, and I'm going to find the horse." And there was people find the horse." And there was people find the horse." And there was people ringing up the helplines were getting ringing up the helplines were getting ringing up the helplines were getting bonkers. People saying, "Hey, we found bonkers. People saying, "Hey, we found bonkers. People saying, "Hey, we found the horse." And it wasn't. It was like a the horse." And it wasn't. It was like a the horse." And it wasn't. It was like a dead sheep. dead sheep. dead sheep. >> What happened to Shurgar? As the story >> What happened to Shurgar? As the story >> What happened to Shurgar? As the story became an international sensation, became an international sensation, became an international sensation, theories toggled between the theories toggled between the theories toggled between the preposterous and the merely unlikely. preposterous and the merely unlikely. preposterous and the merely unlikely. stolen to pay off US mafia debt. Shipped stolen to pay off US mafia debt. Shipped stolen to pay off US mafia debt. Shipped to Libya for Omar Gaddafi. All to Libya for Omar Gaddafi. All to Libya for Omar Gaddafi. All unimaginable ends to an elite stallion unimaginable ends to an elite stallion unimaginable ends to an elite stallion from County Kildair from County Kildair from County Kildair where horses have the right of way. 80 where horses have the right of way. 80 where horses have the right of way. 80 miles of gallop surrounded by all that miles of gallop surrounded by all that miles of gallop surrounded by all that unplowed grass, rich in limestone, good unplowed grass, rich in limestone, good unplowed grass, rich in limestone, good for horse bones, and fertilized by for horse bones, and fertilized by for horse bones, and fertilized by roaming sheep. In other words, equin roaming sheep. In other words, equin roaming sheep. In other words, equin heaven. heaven. heaven. We met the de facto dean of the Kura, We met the de facto dean of the Kura, We met the de facto dean of the Kura, Richard Brabazon, whose family has Richard Brabazon, whose family has Richard Brabazon, whose family has trained horses here for generations. trained horses here for generations. trained horses here for generations. >> Yeah, that's meant to be the way of >> Yeah, that's meant to be the way of >> Yeah, that's meant to be the way of saying hello. You just breathe into saying hello. You just breathe into saying hello. You just breathe into their nose, you know, but he's a their nose, you know, but he's a their nose, you know, but he's a particularly friendly horse.

particularly friendly horse. particularly friendly horse. >> We asked him about Shar. >> We asked him about Shar. >> We asked him about Shar. >> I mean, no one knows what happened. I >> I mean, no one knows what happened. I >> I mean, no one knows what happened. I think it's fair to say there was an think it's fair to say there was an think it's fair to say there was an accident, do you know, and he was accident, do you know, and he was accident, do you know, and he was killed. The only thing that puzzles me killed. The only thing that puzzles me killed. The only thing that puzzles me is it's a very big operation to take a is it's a very big operation to take a is it's a very big operation to take a horse. If you ask me to do it myself, horse. If you ask me to do it myself, horse. If you ask me to do it myself, I'd find it hard to cover it up, you I'd find it hard to cover it up, you I'd find it hard to cover it up, you know, and say, "How do you deal with a know, and say, "How do you deal with a know, and say, "How do you deal with a big animal like this?" You know, not big animal like this?" You know, not big animal like this?" You know, not easy. Um, I buried a donkey once and it easy. Um, I buried a donkey once and it easy. Um, I buried a donkey once and it took me half the day. took me half the day. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> So donkey notwithstanding, most people >> So donkey notwithstanding, most people >> So donkey notwithstanding, most people here believe the kidnappers couldn't here believe the kidnappers couldn't here believe the kidnappers couldn't handle a stallion like Shurgar and shot handle a stallion like Shurgar and shot handle a stallion like Shurgar and shot him within a couple of days. That theory him within a couple of days. That theory him within a couple of days. That theory was circulated in a 1998 memoir of a was circulated in a 1998 memoir of a was circulated in a 1998 memoir of a former IRA member turned informant, former IRA member turned informant, former IRA member turned informant, Shaun O' Callahan, now dead. He wrote Shaun O' Callahan, now dead. He wrote Shaun O' Callahan, now dead. He wrote that the kidnappers drove Shard to that the kidnappers drove Shard to that the kidnappers drove Shard to County Literum near the border with County Literum near the border with County Literum near the border with Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland. That's where we met journalist Tommy That's where we met journalist Tommy That's where we met journalist Tommy Conland. Tomlin wrote a book about Conland. Tomlin wrote a book about Conland. Tomlin wrote a book about another 1983 kidnapping. This one human, another 1983 kidnapping. This one human, another 1983 kidnapping. This one human, a supermarket executive rescued in the a supermarket executive rescued in the a supermarket executive rescued in the woods here after 23 days in IRA woods here after 23 days in IRA woods here after 23 days in IRA captivity. And Conland says Shar's captivity. And Conland says Shar's captivity. And Conland says Shar's capttors would have found a soft landing capttors would have found a soft landing capttors would have found a soft landing in Literum. If the local leader here got in Literum. If the local leader here got in Literum. If the local leader here got a phone call saying, "We need to dispose a phone call saying, "We need to dispose a phone call saying, "We need to dispose of this horse." There would have been of this horse." There would have been of this horse." There would have been people here to do it. And what's more, people here to do it. And what's more, people here to do it. And what's more, it's so sparsely populated, so remote it's so sparsely populated, so remote it's so sparsely populated, so remote that it could be it would be an ideal that it could be it would be an ideal that it could be it would be an ideal place, you would think, to bury a body place, you would think, to bury a body place, you would think, to bury a body that you never wanted found.

that you never wanted found. that you never wanted found. >> Conland led us to bogy terrain where, >> Conland led us to bogy terrain where, >> Conland led us to bogy terrain where, lore has it the kidnappers disposed of lore has it the kidnappers disposed of lore has it the kidnappers disposed of Shar's remains. Shar's remains. Shar's remains. >> Aila, >> Aila, >> Aila, not bad. Ailan. In a winter's night in February 8 1983, In a winter's night in February 8 1983, the place would have been would have the place would have been would have the place would have been would have felt almost deserted and more than felt almost deserted and more than felt almost deserted and more than likely those whom you did meet on the likely those whom you did meet on the likely those whom you did meet on the road would say nothing. road would say nothing. road would say nothing. >> Say say nothing. >> Say say nothing. >> Say say nothing. >> Say nothing and keep saying it. >> Say nothing and keep saying it. >> Say nothing and keep saying it. >> We did hear whispers though from others >> We did hear whispers though from others >> We did hear whispers though from others who've looked into the story about one who've looked into the story about one who've looked into the story about one man in particular, a convicted IRA man in particular, a convicted IRA man in particular, a convicted IRA operative once broken out of prison via operative once broken out of prison via operative once broken out of prison via helicopter. Kevin Min is named in helicopter. Kevin Min is named in helicopter. Kevin Min is named in Informant Shaun O' Callahan's book as Informant Shaun O' Callahan's book as Informant Shaun O' Callahan's book as the ring leader of Shar's kidnapping. the ring leader of Shar's kidnapping. the ring leader of Shar's kidnapping. >> Hello, >> Hello, >> Hello, >> Kevin Min, please. First, we tried >> Kevin Min, please. First, we tried >> Kevin Min, please. First, we tried calling. calling. calling. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Kevin, it's John Worerheim with 60 >> Kevin, it's John Worerheim with 60 >> Kevin, it's John Worerheim with 60 Minutes CBS News in New York. We're Minutes CBS News in New York. We're Minutes CBS News in New York. We're working on a piece on Shurgar.

>> Shar the horse and we >> Shar the horse and we >> Then we got an address. A seaside house >> Then we got an address. A seaside house >> Then we got an address. A seaside house near Dublin. >> Hi, I'm looking for Kevin Mand. >> Hi, I'm looking for Kevin Mand. >> Another phone call. >> Another phone call. >> Another phone call. >> It's John Worerheim with 60 Minutes. I'm >> It's John Worerheim with 60 Minutes. I'm >> It's John Worerheim with 60 Minutes. I'm in town and would love to just come up in town and would love to just come up in town and would love to just come up and ask him a few questions about the and ask him a few questions about the and ask him a few questions about the horse. horse. horse. >> Hi, sir. He wouldn't know anything about >> Hi, sir. He wouldn't know anything about >> Hi, sir. He wouldn't know anything about that. No, forget us. [laughter] that. No, forget us. [laughter] that. No, forget us. [laughter] >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Well, we're we're told he's one of the >> Well, we're we're told he's one of the >> Well, we're we're told he's one of the last people alive that might help solve last people alive that might help solve last people alive that might help solve the >> mystery. >> mystery. Some cold cases do eventually thaw, the Some cold cases do eventually thaw, the Some cold cases do eventually thaw, the result of a crisis of conscience or a result of a crisis of conscience or a result of a crisis of conscience or a dying declaration. But in the case of dying declaration. But in the case of dying declaration. But in the case of Shurgar, sure seems like a long shot. Shurgar, sure seems like a long shot. Shurgar, sure seems like a long shot. >> I think there's a massive shame that the >> I think there's a massive shame that the >> I think there's a massive shame that the right took this on. What was the point right took this on. What was the point right took this on. What was the point of it? It was pointless. The horse is such a symbol of Ireland The horse is such a symbol of Ireland and you know freedom and it's its beauty and you know freedom and it's its beauty and you know freedom and it's its beauty is wildness. It's magic.

is wildness. It's magic. is wildness. It's magic. And there's a shame that they shot the And there's a shame that they shot the And there's a shame that they shot the most famous and killed the most famous most famous and killed the most famous most famous and killed the most famous horse in the world at that time. The horse has played a central role in The horse has played a central role in the history and mythology of many Native the history and mythology of many Native the history and mythology of many Native American tribes. The Shosonyi, Crow, American tribes. The Shosonyi, Crow, American tribes. The Shosonyi, Crow, Blackfoot, Sue, and other tribes first Blackfoot, Sue, and other tribes first Blackfoot, Sue, and other tribes first saw horses when Spaniards brought them saw horses when Spaniards brought them saw horses when Spaniards brought them to this continent 500 years ago and have to this continent 500 years ago and have to this continent 500 years ago and have used them in hunting and in battle ever used them in hunting and in battle ever used them in hunting and in battle ever since. Collectively, these tribes call since. Collectively, these tribes call since. Collectively, these tribes call themselves the horse nations. As we themselves the horse nations. As we themselves the horse nations. As we first reported last year, men and women first reported last year, men and women first reported last year, men and women from those tribes also use horses in a from those tribes also use horses in a from those tribes also use horses in a sport that fans have dubbed America's sport that fans have dubbed America's sport that fans have dubbed America's original extreme sport. The tribes call original extreme sport. The tribes call original extreme sport. The tribes call it Indian relay. Its roots date back it Indian relay. Its roots date back it Indian relay. Its roots date back centuries, and it's one of the most centuries, and it's one of the most centuries, and it's one of the most exciting, dangerous, and inspiring exciting, dangerous, and inspiring exciting, dangerous, and inspiring things you're ever likely to see.

things you're ever likely to see. things you're ever likely to see. >> Welcome to the 2023 Championship of >> Welcome to the 2023 Championship of >> Welcome to the 2023 Championship of Champions. We start at the start. In Champions. We start at the start. In Champions. We start at the start. In Indian relay, as many as six Indian relay, as many as six Indian relay, as many as six thoroughbred raceh horses are brought to thoroughbred raceh horses are brought to thoroughbred raceh horses are brought to a start line drawn in the dirt. The a start line drawn in the dirt. The a start line drawn in the dirt. The horses are bearback, no saddles or horses are bearback, no saddles or horses are bearback, no saddles or stirrups. Their riders wear no stirrups. Their riders wear no stirrups. Their riders wear no protective gear. At the sound of a horn, protective gear. At the sound of a horn, protective gear. At the sound of a horn, they leap aboard and tear down the they leap aboard and tear down the they leap aboard and tear down the track. Well, track. Well, track. Well, [cheering] >> to actually get on a horse bear back and >> to actually get on a horse bear back and run as fast as you can around run as fast as you can around run as fast as you can around >> is easy. >> is easy. >> is easy. >> That's easy. >> That's easy. >> That's easy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Ken Realbird is a sort of senior >> Ken Realbird is a sort of senior >> Ken Realbird is a sort of senior statesman of Indian relay. statesman of Indian relay. statesman of Indian relay. >> It's going to be the team >> It's going to be the team >> It's going to be the team >> and announces races all over the >> and announces races all over the >> and announces races all over the American West. American West. American West. >> These horses are able to run like you >> These horses are able to run like you >> These horses are able to run like you wouldn't believe. But the hard part comes from jumping But the hard part comes from jumping off.

off. off. >> Wait, what? >> Wait, what? >> Wait, what? >> After the riders race one lap around the >> After the riders race one lap around the >> After the riders race one lap around the half mileile track on a rail, >> they all speed into a sort of equin pit >> they all speed into a sort of equin pit row where teammates are waiting with row where teammates are waiting with row where teammates are waiting with fresh horses for what's known as the fresh horses for what's known as the fresh horses for what's known as the exchange. exchange. exchange. [cheering] [cheering] [cheering] So he has to come in, gear down enough, So he has to come in, gear down enough, So he has to come in, gear down enough, and then angle that horse in. and then angle that horse in. and then angle that horse in. >> Come in first. >> Come in first. >> Come in first. >> He gets off and takes one, two, three >> He gets off and takes one, two, three >> He gets off and takes one, two, three steps, and he's onto the back of that steps, and he's onto the back of that steps, and he's onto the back of that horse. horse. horse. [screaming] [screaming] [screaming] [cheering] [cheering] [cheering] >> Boom. There he goes. >> Boom. There he goes. >> Boom. There he goes. >> Here comes Carlson. >> Here comes Carlson. >> Here comes Carlson. >> Ken Realbird makes that flying leap from >> Ken Realbird makes that flying leap from >> Ken Realbird makes that flying leap from one horse to another sound simple. one horse to another sound simple. one horse to another sound simple. >> Right. It is not. It's more like a >> Right. It is not. It's more like a >> Right. It is not. It's more like a dangerous chaotic dance with riders and dangerous chaotic dance with riders and dangerous chaotic dance with riders and horses from six teams all trying to do horses from six teams all trying to do horses from six teams all trying to do the same thing at the same time in the the same thing at the same time in the the same thing at the same time in the same space.

>> You have what they call the setup man. >> You have what they call the setup man. >> Their job primarily is to have that >> Their job primarily is to have that >> Their job primarily is to have that horse in the proper position as a rider horse in the proper position as a rider horse in the proper position as a rider comes in. comes in. comes in. >> Now here they come. Simultaneously, you >> Now here they come. Simultaneously, you >> Now here they come. Simultaneously, you have a guy who's usually a nimble guy on have a guy who's usually a nimble guy on have a guy who's usually a nimble guy on his feet, and he's got to catch that his feet, and he's got to catch that his feet, and he's got to catch that horse coming in at 15 m an hour. >> That horse, he really doesn't care about >> That horse, he really doesn't care about your feelings. A third member of the pit crew is A third member of the pit crew is holding a third horse because the riders holding a third horse because the riders holding a third horse because the riders must do another leap for another lap. >> It's exciting, but it's it's dangerous, >> It's exciting, but it's it's dangerous, too, isn't it? too, isn't it? too, isn't it? >> Yeah. >> Almost every heat will have some of the >> Almost every heat will have some of the guys getting run over. And it's going to guys getting run over. And it's going to guys getting run over. And it's going to be a collision. be a collision. be a collision. >> Can you imagine the front line of Kansas >> Can you imagine the front line of Kansas >> Can you imagine the front line of Kansas City Chiefs all combined in one and just City Chiefs all combined in one and just City Chiefs all combined in one and just run over you?

run over you? run over you? >> That's what it's going to feel like >> That's what it's going to feel like >> That's what it's going to feel like because that horse is 1,000 lb. because that horse is 1,000 lb. because that horse is 1,000 lb. >> Injuries to both horses and humans are >> Injuries to both horses and humans are >> Injuries to both horses and humans are part of the sport. The team that best part of the sport. The team that best part of the sport. The team that best avoids collisions and wins that third avoids collisions and wins that third avoids collisions and wins that third lap on a third horse can be forgiven for lap on a third horse can be forgiven for lap on a third horse can be forgiven for showing off at the finish. showing off at the finish. showing off at the finish. >> Well, that was a great race. >> Well, that was a great race. >> Well, that was a great race. >> Ken Realbird says the roots of modern >> Ken Realbird says the roots of modern >> Ken Realbird says the roots of modern Indian relay are in the horse stealing Indian relay are in the horse stealing Indian relay are in the horse stealing raids that tribes once staged against raids that tribes once staged against raids that tribes once staged against white settlers and each other. white settlers and each other. white settlers and each other. >> These young men of these different >> These young men of these different >> These young men of these different nations would travel when it was middle nations would travel when it was middle nations would travel when it was middle of the night. They would come and take of the night. They would come and take of the night. They would come and take the prize horse the prize horse the prize horse >> and hight tail it back to their home >> and hight tail it back to their home >> and hight tail it back to their home country. They exchanged horses as they country. They exchanged horses as they country. They exchanged horses as they were running. were running. were running. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Cuz they were being pursued. And so >> Cuz they were being pursued. And so >> Cuz they were being pursued. And so that's pretty much the origin of the that's pretty much the origin of the that's pretty much the origin of the Indian really uh sport that we know Indian really uh sport that we know Indian really uh sport that we know today. today. today. >> Races in the organized sport were first >> Races in the organized sport were first >> Races in the organized sport were first conducted in the early 1900s.

conducted in the early 1900s. conducted in the early 1900s. When they first started out, majority of When they first started out, majority of When they first started out, majority of these races were happening in more in these races were happening in more in these races were happening in more in within their own communities, native within their own communities, native within their own communities, native communities on the reservations. communities on the reservations. communities on the reservations. >> I've seen some races. >> I've seen some races. >> I've seen some races. >> Calvin Ghost Bear is a member of the Sue >> Calvin Ghost Bear is a member of the Sue >> Calvin Ghost Bear is a member of the Sue Tribe. Tribe. Tribe. >> Seven heats, eight heat >> Seven heats, eight heat >> Seven heats, eight heat >> and president of an organization called >> and president of an organization called >> and president of an organization called the Horse Nations Indian Relay Council. What we do with Horse Nations is we What we do with Horse Nations is we basically took a lot of the the races basically took a lot of the the races basically took a lot of the the races that were within the tribal nations, that were within the tribal nations, that were within the tribal nations, brought them out into the mainstream. brought them out into the mainstream. brought them out into the mainstream. Now we're bringing it onto a bigger Now we're bringing it onto a bigger Now we're bringing it onto a bigger stage. >> The summer Indian relay circuit >> The summer Indian relay circuit crisscrossed the West and climaxed in crisscrossed the West and climaxed in crisscrossed the West and climaxed in Casper, Wyoming with a 3-day Casper, Wyoming with a 3-day Casper, Wyoming with a 3-day championship event that celebrated championship event that celebrated championship event that celebrated tribal culture in song. tribal culture in song. tribal culture in song. and drum and dance and offered more than and drum and dance and offered more than and drum and dance and offered more than $100,000 in prize money thanks to $100,000 in prize money thanks to $100,000 in prize money thanks to sponsorship from a casino owned by the sponsorship from a casino owned by the sponsorship from a casino owned by the northern Arapjo tribe.

northern Arapjo tribe. northern Arapjo tribe. >> This is the ladies. >> This is the ladies. >> This is the ladies. >> It included a women's division. >> It included a women's division. >> It included a women's division. >> It's two laps and two horses rather than >> It's two laps and two horses rather than >> It's two laps and two horses rather than the three and three in men's races. But the athleticism and danger are every But the athleticism and danger are every bit as evident. bit as evident. bit as evident. >> Now there's no quitting these kids. >> Now there's no quitting these kids. >> Now there's no quitting these kids. >> There's also a kids Indian relay. >> There's also a kids Indian relay. >> There's also a kids Indian relay. >> Takes a great tumble >> Takes a great tumble >> Takes a great tumble >> with riders as young as six racing on >> with riders as young as six racing on >> with riders as young as six racing on ponies, climbing on and falling off. ponies, climbing on and falling off. ponies, climbing on and falling off. >> He's going to be all right. >> He's going to be all right. >> He's going to be all right. >> Those are the guys that grow up to be >> Those are the guys that grow up to be >> Those are the guys that grow up to be the great riders, the great setupmen, the great riders, the great setupmen, the great riders, the great setupmen, because they're all horsemen. And it's because they're all horsemen. And it's because they're all horsemen. And it's like that in every reservation. On the Black Feetat Reservation in On the Black Feetat Reservation in Montana, we met Irvin Carlson and his Montana, we met Irvin Carlson and his Montana, we met Irvin Carlson and his son Chaz, who have been competing in son Chaz, who have been competing in son Chaz, who have been competing in Indian relay for years. Indian relay for years. Indian relay for years. Chaz is one of the most seasoned riders Chaz is one of the most seasoned riders Chaz is one of the most seasoned riders on the summer circuit.

on the summer circuit. on the summer circuit. For relay, making you good in the sport For relay, making you good in the sport For relay, making you good in the sport is just practice, practice, practice, is just practice, practice, practice, is just practice, practice, practice, and years of experience. and years of experience. and years of experience. >> Chaz is off. Chaz is in early. Chaz is >> Chaz is off. Chaz is in early. Chaz is >> Chaz is off. Chaz is in early. Chaz is out front. out front. out front. Yay. Yay. Yay. >> Another team we followed through the >> Another team we followed through the >> Another team we followed through the summer Indian relay circuit is led by summer Indian relay circuit is led by summer Indian relay circuit is led by Tuesday Washiki from the Shosonyi tribe Tuesday Washiki from the Shosonyi tribe Tuesday Washiki from the Shosonyi tribe in Wyoming. in Wyoming. in Wyoming. Her younger sister Zia is the rider for Her younger sister Zia is the rider for Her younger sister Zia is the rider for their women's team. Both feel a close their women's team. Both feel a close their women's team. Both feel a close connection to their horses. connection to their horses. connection to their horses. If you're having a bad day and it's just If you're having a bad day and it's just If you're having a bad day and it's just not going your way, you can go out and not going your way, you can go out and not going your way, you can go out and you can catch your horse and ride them you can catch your horse and ride them you can catch your horse and ride them and things things will just seem to be and things things will just seem to be and things things will just seem to be better. [laughter] better. [laughter] better. [laughter] I think that's just how it is. I think that's just how it is. I think that's just how it is. >> Mason Redwing feels the same bond and >> Mason Redwing feels the same bond and >> Mason Redwing feels the same bond and obligation to care for his horses. obligation to care for his horses. obligation to care for his horses. >> It's really something special because >> It's really something special because >> It's really something special because we're all here for one purpose and it's we're all here for one purpose and it's we're all here for one purpose and it's it's the horse. it's the horse. it's the horse. >> Just setting up over here. Mason hails >> Just setting up over here. Mason hails >> Just setting up over here. Mason hails from the Crow Creek Sue Reservation in from the Crow Creek Sue Reservation in from the Crow Creek Sue Reservation in South Dakota.

South Dakota. South Dakota. >> When I was younger, I I didn't know why >> When I was younger, I I didn't know why >> When I was younger, I I didn't know why I used to feel such anger and animosity I used to feel such anger and animosity I used to feel such anger and animosity towards my own people. I I didn't want towards my own people. I I didn't want towards my own people. I I didn't want to be Native American to be Native American to be Native American >> and uh the horse helped me, you know, >> and uh the horse helped me, you know, >> and uh the horse helped me, you know, reconnect with my culture and be proud reconnect with my culture and be proud reconnect with my culture and be proud of who I am and proud of where I'm from. of who I am and proud of where I'm from. of who I am and proud of where I'm from. >> Why were you feeling you didn't like >> Why were you feeling you didn't like >> Why were you feeling you didn't like being a Native American? Growing up being a Native American? Growing up being a Native American? Growing up where I'm from on the reservation, you where I'm from on the reservation, you where I'm from on the reservation, you you see a lot of things that make you you see a lot of things that make you you see a lot of things that make you not proud not proud not proud >> to be where I'm from. Alcoholism, drug >> to be where I'm from. Alcoholism, drug >> to be where I'm from. Alcoholism, drug addiction, uh drug abuse, uh suicide, addiction, uh drug abuse, uh suicide, addiction, uh drug abuse, uh suicide, suicide rates on the reservation are suicide rates on the reservation are suicide rates on the reservation are four or five times the national average. four or five times the national average. four or five times the national average. My own father was uh succumb to My own father was uh succumb to My own father was uh succumb to alcoholism. alcoholism. alcoholism. Uh so it really hit home. Uh so it really hit home. Uh so it really hit home. >> You said the horse saved your life. >> You said the horse saved your life. >> You said the horse saved your life. >> Yep. Yes, sir. essentially. >> Yep. Yes, sir. essentially. >> Yep. Yes, sir. essentially. >> You think it does that for a lot of >> You think it does that for a lot of >> You think it does that for a lot of young Native American kids? young Native American kids? young Native American kids? >> I think so. There's a lot of kids out >> I think so. There's a lot of kids out >> I think so. There's a lot of kids out there that are just that are just there that are just that are just there that are just that are just looking for for that doorway. looking for for that doorway. looking for for that doorway. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> There's little glamour in Indian relay >> There's little glamour in Indian relay >> There's little glamour in Indian relay and lots of hard work. Every team is and lots of hard work. Every team is and lots of hard work. Every team is self-funded and nearly everyone has a self-funded and nearly everyone has a self-funded and nearly everyone has a day job to help pay the bills. But the day job to help pay the bills. But the day job to help pay the bills. But the sport is on the rise. Prize money is sport is on the rise. Prize money is sport is on the rise. Prize money is increasing and 67 teams competed in the increasing and 67 teams competed in the increasing and 67 teams competed in the 2023 championships.

The quality of horses is rising too. The quality of horses is rising too. Teams go to major racetracks like Teams go to major racetracks like Teams go to major racetracks like Churchill Downs, home of the Kentucky Churchill Downs, home of the Kentucky Churchill Downs, home of the Kentucky Derby, to buy sprinters well suited to Derby, to buy sprinters well suited to Derby, to buy sprinters well suited to Indian relay. Indian relay. Indian relay. >> Kentucky, that would be the ultimate a >> Kentucky, that would be the ultimate a >> Kentucky, that would be the ultimate a demonstration race before the derby. demonstration race before the derby. demonstration race before the derby. That would be that would be my goal. That would be that would be my goal. That would be that would be my goal. >> Lots of thrills and hopefully no spills >> Lots of thrills and hopefully no spills >> Lots of thrills and hopefully no spills today. >> Each team competed in one heat each day >> Each team competed in one heat each day of the championships. Their cumulative of the championships. Their cumulative of the championships. Their cumulative time from the first two days determined time from the first two days determined time from the first two days determined whether they made the final championship whether they made the final championship whether they made the final championship heat on Sunday. heat on Sunday. heat on Sunday. [cheering] [cheering] [cheering] >> Is the race usually won or lost in the >> Is the race usually won or lost in the >> Is the race usually won or lost in the exchange? exchange? exchange? >> Yeah. It's like a really team in track and It's like a really team in track and field. field. field. >> But in Indian relay, exchanges involve >> But in Indian relay, exchanges involve >> But in Indian relay, exchanges involve six riders, 18 horses, 18 other humans, six riders, 18 horses, 18 other humans, six riders, 18 horses, 18 other humans, and a cloud of dust. and a cloud of dust. and a cloud of dust. >> From what I've seen, it's like >> From what I've seen, it's like >> From what I've seen, it's like >> chaos.

>> chaos. >> chaos. >> Chaos [laughter] >> Chaos [laughter] >> Chaos [laughter] in the block. Going to be OBS. in the block. Going to be OBS. in the block. Going to be OBS. >> Tuesday, Wiki's women's team made the >> Tuesday, Wiki's women's team made the >> Tuesday, Wiki's women's team made the championship heat in Casper. championship heat in Casper. championship heat in Casper. >> Obs is right there. and her sister Zia >> Obs is right there. and her sister Zia >> Obs is right there. and her sister Zia had a clean exchange in that race. They had a clean exchange in that race. They had a clean exchange in that race. They finished a close second. finished a close second. finished a close second. >> I don't know. You get demoralized or is >> I don't know. You get demoralized or is >> I don't know. You get demoralized or is it make make you more determined? it make make you more determined? it make make you more determined? >> It makes me more determined, man. I'll >> It makes me more determined, man. I'll >> It makes me more determined, man. I'll be out here mad as hell, but I shouldn't be out here mad as hell, but I shouldn't be out here mad as hell, but I shouldn't be. be. be. >> Winning it all is going to be the time. >> Winning it all is going to be the time. >> Winning it all is going to be the time. >> The first place women's relay team came >> The first place women's relay team came >> The first place women's relay team came from the Kleville Reservation in from the Kleville Reservation in from the Kleville Reservation in Washington State with rider Talia Timua. Washington State with rider Talia Timua. Washington State with rider Talia Timua. >> Is this your first championship? >> Is this your first championship? >> Is this your first championship? >> No, I actually won the first one in >> No, I actually won the first one in >> No, I actually won the first one in Walaw Wala. All right. Walaw Wala. All right. Walaw Wala. All right. >> Yeah. When I was 13. >> Yeah. When I was 13. >> Yeah. When I was 13. >> And how old are you now? >> And how old are you now? >> And how old are you now? >> 17. >> 17. >> 17. >> 17. >> 17. >> 17. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wow. Are you going to do it again next >> Wow. Are you going to do it again next >> Wow. Are you going to do it again next year? year? year? >> Yeah. We're I'm going to do it as long >> Yeah. We're I'm going to do it as long >> Yeah. We're I'm going to do it as long as I can. I love this game. as I can. I love this game. as I can. I love this game. >> The day before we had watched Tia win a >> The day before we had watched Tia win a >> The day before we had watched Tia win a heat with her arms raised in a pose of heat with her arms raised in a pose of heat with her arms raised in a pose of triumph and strength.

triumph and strength. triumph and strength. >> It is how we connect to the warriors of >> It is how we connect to the warriors of >> It is how we connect to the warriors of the past, the warriors of 200 years ago. the past, the warriors of 200 years ago. the past, the warriors of 200 years ago. It's that same bloodline of that warrior It's that same bloodline of that warrior It's that same bloodline of that warrior that is going cursing through their that is going cursing through their that is going cursing through their blood. blood. blood. >> Red Wing. >> Red Wing. >> Red Wing. >> Over three days of heat, >> Over three days of heat, >> Over three days of heat, >> we watched Mason Redwing and his team go >> we watched Mason Redwing and his team go >> we watched Mason Redwing and his team go from dirt pounding frustration when an from dirt pounding frustration when an from dirt pounding frustration when an exchange went wrong. exchange went wrong. exchange went wrong. >> To exaltation as another went right. >> To exaltation as another went right. >> To exaltation as another went right. >> Good, good, good. >> Good, good, good. >> Good, good, good. >> Cuz we're always searching for that >> Cuz we're always searching for that >> Cuz we're always searching for that perfect run. They didn't quite find it perfect run. They didn't quite find it perfect run. They didn't quite find it in the finals. in the finals. in the finals. >> It's for the championship of the world. >> It's for the championship of the world. >> It's for the championship of the world. >> The team that did >> The team that did >> The team that did >> was the one we'd first met months >> was the one we'd first met months >> was the one we'd first met months earlier on the Black Feet Reservation. earlier on the Black Feet Reservation. earlier on the Black Feet Reservation. Irvin Carlson and his son Chaz. Irvin Carlson and his son Chaz. Irvin Carlson and his son Chaz. >> So, we've been following you like all >> So, we've been following you like all >> So, we've been following you like all summer. Like, this is the culmination of summer. Like, this is the culmination of summer. Like, this is the culmination of everything you've done all all year. So, everything you've done all all year. So, everything you've done all all year. So, does this give you bragging rights for a does this give you bragging rights for a does this give you bragging rights for a year or what? year or what? year or what? >> Oh, yeah.

as a tribal elder sang a traditional as a tribal elder sang a traditional praise song in honor of their victory praise song in honor of their victory praise song in honor of their victory and organizers presented them with a and organizers presented them with a and organizers presented them with a check for $20,000. >> We noticed a group of kids at the rail >> We noticed a group of kids at the rail on their ponies watching intently. on their ponies watching intently. on their ponies watching intently. >> What the horse done for me, I know the >> What the horse done for me, I know the >> What the horse done for me, I know the horse can do that for everyone a horse can do that for everyone a horse can do that for everyone a thousand times over. And and I'm I'm a thousand times over. And and I'm I'm a thousand times over. And and I'm I'm a firm believer in it. I I know for a fact firm believer in it. I I know for a fact firm believer in it. I I know for a fact it can it can bring our young men and it can it can bring our young men and it can it can bring our young men and our young women back. >> You don't expect to hear that some of >> You don't expect to hear that some of the most cuttingedge biotechnology is the most cuttingedge biotechnology is the most cuttingedge biotechnology is now part of the elite game of polo, the now part of the elite game of polo, the now part of the elite game of polo, the ancient sport of kings. But on a trip to ancient sport of kings. But on a trip to ancient sport of kings. But on a trip to Argentina last December, we went to a Argentina last December, we went to a Argentina last December, we went to a big polo match and discovered that big polo match and discovered that big polo match and discovered that several of the champion horses on the several of the champion horses on the several of the champion horses on the field were clones. field were clones. field were clones. [cheering] It's a big day in Buenazaris. The final It's a big day in Buenazaris. The final match in this year's World Cup/S Super match in this year's World Cup/S Super match in this year's World Cup/S Super Bowl of Polo called the Argentine Open Bowl of Polo called the Argentine Open Bowl of Polo called the Argentine Open with the usual pageantry, the tango with the usual pageantry, the tango with the usual pageantry, the tango included.

included. included. In Polo, the horses called ponies are In Polo, the horses called ponies are In Polo, the horses called ponies are just as important as their riders. just as important as their riders. just as important as their riders. The two teams are La Dulfina in white The two teams are La Dulfina in white The two teams are La Dulfina in white and Ellerstina in black. Each team has and Ellerstina in black. Each team has and Ellerstina in black. Each team has four players who ride as many as a dozen four players who ride as many as a dozen four players who ride as many as a dozen horses during matches. All of the horses during matches. All of the horses during matches. All of the players today have reached the highest players today have reached the highest players today have reached the highest ranking in the sport, a 10goal handicap. ranking in the sport, a 10goal handicap. ranking in the sport, a 10goal handicap. The player generating the most interest The player generating the most interest The player generating the most interest is the man in the blue and white helmet, is the man in the blue and white helmet, is the man in the blue and white helmet, Adulo Cambiaso. Adulo Cambiaso. Adulo Cambiaso. He's led his team to victory for the He's led his team to victory for the He's led his team to victory for the last 5 years. At 42, he's the Tom Brady last 5 years. At 42, he's the Tom Brady last 5 years. At 42, he's the Tom Brady Apollo. >> [cheering] >> [cheering] >> I love the sport that I do. I love polo. >> I love the sport that I do. I love polo. >> I love the sport that I do. I love polo. I love horses. And so I try to be the I love horses. And so I try to be the I love horses. And so I try to be the best. best. best. >> You are number one in the world in your >> You are number one in the world in your >> You are number one in the world in your sport. [snorts] sport. [snorts] sport. [snorts] >> That's stunning, isn't it? >> That's stunning, isn't it? >> That's stunning, isn't it? >> It's strange when they say it to you. >> It's strange when they say it to you. >> It's strange when they say it to you. You don't feel like it. But You don't feel like it. But You don't feel like it. But >> how long have you had this title? How >> how long have you had this title? How >> how long have you had this title? How many years?

many years? many years? >> 22 years. >> 22 years. >> 22 years. >> You've been the best in the world for 22 >> You've been the best in the world for 22 >> You've been the best in the world for 22 years. years. years. >> That's what they say. [laughter] >> That's what they say. [laughter] >> That's what they say. [laughter] At age 25, Adulo decided to create his At age 25, Adulo decided to create his At age 25, Adulo decided to create his own polo team called La Dulfina and a own polo team called La Dulfina and a own polo team called La Dulfina and a breeding business from scratch. Today, breeding business from scratch. Today, breeding business from scratch. Today, he has nearly a thousand horses that are he has nearly a thousand horses that are he has nearly a thousand horses that are fed a special diet of plants and grasses fed a special diet of plants and grasses fed a special diet of plants and grasses grown on his massive farms. grown on his massive farms. grown on his massive farms. >> If they have a little pain somewhere, I >> If they have a little pain somewhere, I >> If they have a little pain somewhere, I did a swimming pool for them just to did a swimming pool for them just to did a swimming pool for them just to swim. a swimming pool for the horses swim. a swimming pool for the horses swim. a swimming pool for the horses where they do laps and stretch out their where they do laps and stretch out their where they do laps and stretch out their sore muscles. sore muscles. sore muscles. >> And they like it. >> And they like it. >> And they like it. >> They love it. >> They love it. >> They love it. >> They do. They like >> They do. They like >> They do. They like >> they love it. They jump on. It's >> they love it. They jump on. It's >> they love it. They jump on. It's amazing. amazing. amazing. >> His most prized horse for a long time >> His most prized horse for a long time >> His most prized horse for a long time was named Aken Kura. But at the was named Aken Kura. But at the was named Aken Kura. But at the Argentine Open 12 years ago, Aken Kura's Argentine Open 12 years ago, Aken Kura's Argentine Open 12 years ago, Aken Kura's leg was broken and Adulo was devastated. leg was broken and Adulo was devastated. leg was broken and Adulo was devastated. >> More than anything, I say save this >> More than anything, I say save this >> More than anything, I say save this horse. He was your favorite.

horse. He was your favorite. horse. He was your favorite. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> But the horse could not be saved. Before >> But the horse could not be saved. Before >> But the horse could not be saved. Before they put him down, Adulo made a fateful they put him down, Adulo made a fateful they put him down, Adulo made a fateful decision. He asked his veterinarian to decision. He asked his veterinarian to decision. He asked his veterinarian to save some of the horse's skin cells. He save some of the horse's skin cells. He save some of the horse's skin cells. He thought that one day he could bring Aken thought that one day he could bring Aken thought that one day he could bring Aken Kura back to life through cloning. Kura back to life through cloning. Kura back to life through cloning. >> I was really sad and I say cloning >> I was really sad and I say cloning >> I was really sad and I say cloning should work. should work. should work. >> How did that come into your head? >> How did that come into your head? >> How did that come into your head? >> I don't know. I decided to keep some >> I don't know. I decided to keep some >> I don't know. I decided to keep some cells from him just in case years later cells from him just in case years later cells from him just in case years later cloning cloning cloning is normal. is normal. is normal. >> He remembered Dolly the sheep, the first >> He remembered Dolly the sheep, the first >> He remembered Dolly the sheep, the first cloned mammal. Since then, scientists cloned mammal. Since then, scientists cloned mammal. Since then, scientists have cloned cows, pigs, goats, and in have cloned cows, pigs, goats, and in have cloned cows, pigs, goats, and in 2003, the first horse. Biologist Adrien 2003, the first horse. Biologist Adrien 2003, the first horse. Biologist Adrien Muto, one of the first scientists to Muto, one of the first scientists to Muto, one of the first scientists to clone in Argentina, showed us the clone in Argentina, showed us the clone in Argentina, showed us the process. He starts with an egg extracted process. He starts with an egg extracted process. He starts with an egg extracted minutes earlier from a mayor. minutes earlier from a mayor. minutes earlier from a mayor. >> You can see here, this is an egg. And >> You can see here, this is an egg. And >> You can see here, this is an egg. And with that needle, we eliminate all DNA with that needle, we eliminate all DNA with that needle, we eliminate all DNA of each egg.

of each egg. of each egg. >> Next, he replaces it with the DNA of the >> Next, he replaces it with the DNA of the >> Next, he replaces it with the DNA of the horse they want to clone. horse they want to clone. horse they want to clone. >> The next step is introduce again into >> The next step is introduce again into >> The next step is introduce again into the into the egg the needle. the into the egg the needle. the into the egg the needle. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> This is the DNA into the egg. >> This is the DNA into the egg. >> This is the DNA into the egg. >> You did it. >> You did it. >> You did it. >> Yeah. This is our cell and this is the >> Yeah. This is our cell and this is the >> Yeah. This is our cell and this is the egg egg egg >> and that's it. >> and that's it. >> and that's it. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> The new embryos are then incubated for >> The new embryos are then incubated for >> The new embryos are then incubated for one week. No sperm has been involved. one week. No sperm has been involved. one week. No sperm has been involved. >> We don't need a sperm. >> We don't need a sperm. >> We don't need a sperm. >> There's no male. >> There's no male. >> There's no male. >> Yes. No male here. Only me. >> Yes. No male here. Only me. >> Yes. No male here. Only me. >> But but [laughter] that's incredible. >> But but [laughter] that's incredible. >> But but [laughter] that's incredible. There there. So it's not a male female There there. So it's not a male female There there. So it's not a male female reproduction at all. reproduction at all. reproduction at all. >> Yes. You're just taking a cell from >> Yes. You're just taking a cell from >> Yes. You're just taking a cell from whichever could be a mayor or could be a whichever could be a mayor or could be a whichever could be a mayor or could be a male horse male horse male horse >> and you're putting it in the >> and you're putting it in the >> and you're putting it in the >> cell into the egg. >> cell into the egg. >> cell into the egg. >> No sex allow >> No sex allow >> No sex allow >> no bull horses. >> no bull horses. >> no bull horses. >> The incubated egg is implanted in a >> The incubated egg is implanted in a >> The incubated egg is implanted in a surrogate mayor who gives birth to the surrogate mayor who gives birth to the surrogate mayor who gives birth to the clone like this one that's 3 weeks old.

clone like this one that's 3 weeks old. clone like this one that's 3 weeks old. Cloning represented a business Cloning represented a business Cloning represented a business opportunity to this man, Texas oil air opportunity to this man, Texas oil air opportunity to this man, Texas oil air and polo enthusiast Alan Meer. He had and polo enthusiast Alan Meer. He had and polo enthusiast Alan Meer. He had long dreamt of building a fleet of long dreamt of building a fleet of long dreamt of building a fleet of champion horses and now had a way to do champion horses and now had a way to do champion horses and now had a way to do it. it. it. >> I did some short math and I realized it >> I did some short math and I realized it >> I did some short math and I realized it would take uh 50 years and about $100 would take uh 50 years and about $100 would take uh 50 years and about $100 million to do what I wanted to do. And I million to do what I wanted to do. And I million to do what I wanted to do. And I thought, well, why don't I just clone a thought, well, why don't I just clone a thought, well, why don't I just clone a bunch of horses, really, really good bunch of horses, really, really good bunch of horses, really, really good horses. horses. horses. >> In 2009, Mer founded a horse cloning >> In 2009, Mer founded a horse cloning >> In 2009, Mer founded a horse cloning business and a year later licensed the business and a year later licensed the business and a year later licensed the technology that was used to clone Dolly technology that was used to clone Dolly technology that was used to clone Dolly the sheep. Okay, now I need to find the the sheep. Okay, now I need to find the the sheep. Okay, now I need to find the best horses. So, I put together an idea best horses. So, I put together an idea best horses. So, I put together an idea of licensing the genetics from the very of licensing the genetics from the very of licensing the genetics from the very best um breeders in Polo. Um I knew some best um breeders in Polo. Um I knew some best um breeders in Polo. Um I knew some people that knew Adalfo. people that knew Adalfo. people that knew Adalfo. >> Was he considered one of the best >> Was he considered one of the best >> Was he considered one of the best breeders? Not just the best players, but breeders? Not just the best players, but breeders? Not just the best players, but also one of the best breeders. also one of the best breeders. also one of the best breeders. >> Breeders and owners of horses that his >> Breeders and owners of horses that his >> Breeders and owners of horses that his horses were performing better than horses were performing better than horses were performing better than anyone else.

anyone else. anyone else. >> When Allan first approached you about >> When Allan first approached you about >> When Allan first approached you about cloning, cloning, cloning, >> I say yes. the first day >> I say yes. the first day >> I say yes. the first day >> immediately. >> immediately. >> immediately. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And guess what you said, Alan? Guess >> And guess what you said, Alan? Guess >> And guess what you said, Alan? Guess what I have? what I have? what I have? >> Yeah. I want to tell him that I have >> Yeah. I want to tell him that I have >> Yeah. I want to tell him that I have cells from a horse that I really love cells from a horse that I really love cells from a horse that I really love that I would love to clone. that I would love to clone. that I would love to clone. >> It took a while to get it right. One >> It took a while to get it right. One >> It took a while to get it right. One attempt failed, but after 2 years, attempt failed, but after 2 years, attempt failed, but after 2 years, Adalfo got his wish. the birth of a Adalfo got his wish. the birth of a Adalfo got his wish. the birth of a clone of his beloved Aken Kura who grew clone of his beloved Aken Kura who grew clone of his beloved Aken Kura who grew into this magnificent healthy horse into this magnificent healthy horse into this magnificent healthy horse almost exactly like the original in almost exactly like the original in almost exactly like the original in strength, athletic ability, and strength, athletic ability, and strength, athletic ability, and temperament. temperament. temperament. >> When I saw him, I couldn't believe it. >> When I saw him, I couldn't believe it. >> When I saw him, I couldn't believe it. >> Did you know by just looking and of >> Did you know by just looking and of >> Did you know by just looking and of course it was a little fo at that point? course it was a little fo at that point? course it was a little fo at that point? >> Yes, it was. But did you >> Yes, it was. But did you >> Yes, it was. But did you >> to make sure I took some hair from him >> to make sure I took some hair from him >> to make sure I took some hair from him and I bring him back to Argentina to do and I bring him back to Argentina to do and I bring him back to Argentina to do the DNN the DNN the DNN >> to double check >> to double check >> to double check >> to double check [laughter] >> to double check [laughter] >> to double check [laughter] it was him. it was him. it was him. >> At the same time he decided to clone >> At the same time he decided to clone >> At the same time he decided to clone another horse, his biggest star, a mayor another horse, his biggest star, a mayor another horse, his biggest star, a mayor called Quarteter.

called Quarteter. called Quarteter. Now 17 years old, the original has been Now 17 years old, the original has been Now 17 years old, the original has been playing polo since she was four, a year playing polo since she was four, a year playing polo since she was four, a year younger than most polo ponies simply younger than most polo ponies simply younger than most polo ponies simply because she took to the game so quickly. because she took to the game so quickly. because she took to the game so quickly. >> I think she's born to play. You know, >> I think she's born to play. You know, >> I think she's born to play. You know, there is those horses in life or like there is those horses in life or like there is those horses in life or like soccer players like Messi. It's not many soccer players like Messi. It's not many soccer players like Messi. It's not many >> like you. >> like you. >> like you. >> No, I don't know. No, but what I'm >> No, I don't know. No, but what I'm >> No, I don't know. No, but what I'm saying this horse is amazing. saying this horse is amazing. saying this horse is amazing. >> He took us to the barn where lives with >> He took us to the barn where lives with >> He took us to the barn where lives with eight of her clones. You see those two eight of her clones. You see those two eight of her clones. You see those two little points? little points? little points? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> From this little point is where you make >> From this little point is where you make >> From this little point is where you make all these horses. all these horses. all these horses. >> This is where they took the cells to >> This is where they took the cells to >> This is where they took the cells to make the other. Because of her, you got make the other. Because of her, you got make the other. Because of her, you got all these ones. all these ones. all these ones. >> And that was what you were thinking. >> And that was what you were thinking. >> And that was what you were thinking. >> Yes. That was my dream. But everybody >> Yes. That was my dream. But everybody >> Yes. That was my dream. But everybody was was was >> the best >> the best >> the best >> saying that I was crazy. And I like it >> saying that I was crazy. And I like it >> saying that I was crazy. And I like it right now because I'm having a good time right now because I'm having a good time right now because I'm having a good time hearing those people. hearing those people. hearing those people. >> Yeah. They're saying he's not so crazy. >> Yeah. They're saying he's not so crazy. >> Yeah. They're saying he's not so crazy. >> He's not that crazy. Yeah. >> He's not that crazy. Yeah. >> He's not that crazy. Yeah. And look what he's done. In seven years, And look what he's done. In seven years, And look what he's done. In seven years, he and his partners have created more he and his partners have created more he and his partners have created more than a dozen clones of Quarteter.

than a dozen clones of Quarteter. than a dozen clones of Quarteter. >> It's incredible for me. I never lose my >> It's incredible for me. I never lose my >> It's incredible for me. I never lose my Wow. This is my production. This is my Wow. This is my production. This is my Wow. This is my production. This is my ecoin daughter. ecoin daughter. ecoin daughter. >> Dr. Muto, who was hired as the lead >> Dr. Muto, who was hired as the lead >> Dr. Muto, who was hired as the lead scientist in Adalfo's cloning business, scientist in Adalfo's cloning business, scientist in Adalfo's cloning business, took us to see the Quartetera clones he took us to see the Quartetera clones he took us to see the Quartetera clones he thinks of as his children. This is a thinks of as his children. This is a thinks of as his children. This is a quartet number five. quartet number five. quartet number five. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> This is number four. >> This is number four. >> This is number four. Number three. Number nine. Number three. Number nine. Number three. Number nine. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Number six. >> Number six. >> Number six. >> You can tell which one. You're not >> You can tell which one. You're not >> You can tell which one. You're not reading it reading it reading it >> because I know her. But but uh they are >> because I know her. But but uh they are >> because I know her. But but uh they are our clowns. Right now we have 14 our clowns. Right now we have 14 our clowns. Right now we have 14 >> just from Quad. >> just from Quad. >> just from Quad. >> 14. And next year 10 more. And 2019 10 >> 14. And next year 10 more. And 2019 10 >> 14. And next year 10 more. And 2019 10 more. more. more. In all, they have produced more than 100 In all, they have produced more than 100 In all, they have produced more than 100 clones from several of their best clones from several of their best clones from several of their best horses. In each case, he said the clones horses. In each case, he said the clones horses. In each case, he said the clones are strikingly similar to the originals are strikingly similar to the originals are strikingly similar to the originals in disposition, athletic ability, and in disposition, athletic ability, and in disposition, athletic ability, and appearance, but not exactly. For appearance, but not exactly. For appearance, but not exactly. For example, the quartatera clones all have example, the quartatera clones all have example, the quartatera clones all have white markings, but with different white markings, but with different white markings, but with different shapes and in different places. Some on shapes and in different places. Some on shapes and in different places. Some on the face, some on the ankle. But all the the face, some on the ankle. But all the the face, some on the ankle. But all the quarteteras seem to have inherited the quarteteras seem to have inherited the quarteteras seem to have inherited the original's calm, self-contained original's calm, self-contained original's calm, self-contained personality. So the genetics include personality. So the genetics include personality. So the genetics include this temperament.

this temperament. this temperament. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And do the clones get along with each >> And do the clones get along with each >> And do the clones get along with each other? other? other? >> Yeah, because they live together all >> Yeah, because they live together all >> Yeah, because they live together all year alone. So from here they go to the year alone. So from here they go to the year alone. So from here they go to the farm together, then they move in blocks. farm together, then they move in blocks. farm together, then they move in blocks. If you take one out of them, they are If you take one out of them, they are If you take one out of them, they are looking for it. looking for it. looking for it. >> They missed the one that you take out. >> They missed the one that you take out. >> They missed the one that you take out. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Do the clones have any special health >> Do the clones have any special health >> Do the clones have any special health issues? issues? issues? We talked to scientists at the National We talked to scientists at the National We talked to scientists at the National Institute of Health and were told there Institute of Health and were told there Institute of Health and were told there was no evidence that cloned animals was no evidence that cloned animals was no evidence that cloned animals suffered disproportionate health suffered disproportionate health suffered disproportionate health problems, though they have a slightly problems, though they have a slightly problems, though they have a slightly higher infant mortality rate. At first, higher infant mortality rate. At first, higher infant mortality rate. At first, many of Adalfo's cloned embryos died many of Adalfo's cloned embryos died many of Adalfo's cloned embryos died during gestation, but they refined their during gestation, but they refined their during gestation, but they refined their technique and now tell us they have an technique and now tell us they have an technique and now tell us they have an 85% successful birth rate and have not 85% successful birth rate and have not 85% successful birth rate and have not experienced any health problems. So as experienced any health problems. So as experienced any health problems. So as far as you are thinking they are exactly far as you are thinking they are exactly far as you are thinking they are exactly the same in health, longevity, ability the same in health, longevity, ability the same in health, longevity, ability to play the game. Yeah. to play the game. Yeah. to play the game. Yeah. >> All of it. >> All of it. >> All of it. >> Similar. Similar. Not exactly the same.

>> Similar. Similar. Not exactly the same. >> Similar. Similar. Not exactly the same. >> What are the differences? >> What are the differences? >> What are the differences? >> There is some that are a little bigger, >> There is some that are a little bigger, >> There is some that are a little bigger, some eat more, some eat less or they some eat more, some eat less or they some eat more, some eat less or they move a little bit different, but the move a little bit different, but the move a little bit different, but the mine are really similar. The good thing mine are really similar. The good thing mine are really similar. The good thing about it, there are machines. All of about it, there are machines. All of about it, there are machines. All of them. them. them. machines. That's polo talk for horses machines. That's polo talk for horses machines. That's polo talk for horses that never quit. But how would they that never quit. But how would they that never quit. But how would they perform in competition? At the final at perform in competition? At the final at perform in competition? At the final at the Argentine Open, Adulo gambled that the Argentine Open, Adulo gambled that the Argentine Open, Adulo gambled that his Quartetera clones would be as good his Quartetera clones would be as good his Quartetera clones would be as good as the original. And for the first time, as the original. And for the first time, as the original. And for the first time, he rode them almost exclusively. he rode them almost exclusively. he rode them almost exclusively. That part of the story when we come That part of the story when we come That part of the story when we come back. Regulators of thoroughbred horse racing Regulators of thoroughbred horse racing worldwide have taken a firm stand worldwide have taken a firm stand worldwide have taken a firm stand against cloning. But there is no such against cloning. But there is no such against cloning. But there is no such prohibition in polo. And so cloning is prohibition in polo. And so cloning is prohibition in polo. And so cloning is spreading to teams beyond adulo spreading to teams beyond adulo spreading to teams beyond adulo combasos. It raises some thorny combasos. It raises some thorny combasos. It raises some thorny questions. Does cloning give a team an questions. Does cloning give a team an questions. Does cloning give a team an unfair advantage? Is it ethical? and unfair advantage? Is it ethical? and unfair advantage? Is it ethical? and where will it lead? In December, at the where will it lead? In December, at the where will it lead? In December, at the final match of the Argentine Open in final match of the Argentine Open in final match of the Argentine Open in Buenazaris, one team rode clones while Buenazaris, one team rode clones while Buenazaris, one team rode clones while the other refused to. The competition the other refused to. The competition the other refused to. The competition was as much about the merits of cloning was as much about the merits of cloning was as much about the merits of cloning as it was a sporting contest.

as it was a sporting contest. as it was a sporting contest. Out of more than 850 professional polo Out of more than 850 professional polo Out of more than 850 professional polo players, Argentine native Adulo Combaso, players, Argentine native Adulo Combaso, players, Argentine native Adulo Combaso, wearing the blue and white helmet and wearing the blue and white helmet and wearing the blue and white helmet and the jersey marked number one, is the the jersey marked number one, is the the jersey marked number one, is the best player in the world. He's held that best player in the world. He's held that best player in the world. He's held that ranking for 22 years and is now leading ranking for 22 years and is now leading ranking for 22 years and is now leading a cloning revolution. He's cloning his a cloning revolution. He's cloning his a cloning revolution. He's cloning his best horses, the one he's riding as a best horses, the one he's riding as a best horses, the one he's riding as a clone. He's competing on them and clone. He's competing on them and clone. He's competing on them and winning winning winning >> when you're on one of the clones >> when you're on one of the clones >> when you're on one of the clones playing. Is there a special feeling playing. Is there a special feeling playing. Is there a special feeling knowing that you know this is something knowing that you know this is something knowing that you know this is something that was your idea, you brought it to that was your idea, you brought it to that was your idea, you brought it to life? At this stage of my career, the life? At this stage of my career, the life? At this stage of my career, the last couple of years for me to play and last couple of years for me to play and last couple of years for me to play and prove that the clone works and play with prove that the clone works and play with prove that the clone works and play with quartet teras and everything is an extra quartet teras and everything is an extra quartet teras and everything is an extra motivation for myself for sure. motivation for myself for sure. motivation for myself for sure. >> I don't know that you need extra >> I don't know that you need extra >> I don't know that you need extra motivation. motivation. motivation. >> Yeah, I do. I do. >> Yeah, I do. I do. >> Yeah, I do. I do. >> He's created 14 clones of his very best >> He's created 14 clones of his very best >> He's created 14 clones of his very best horse. A 17-year-old mayor who is fast, horse. A 17-year-old mayor who is fast, horse. A 17-year-old mayor who is fast, easy to direct, and can turn on a dime.

easy to direct, and can turn on a dime. easy to direct, and can turn on a dime. She was honored last year as the best She was honored last year as the best She was honored last year as the best polo horse in history. Her clones seem polo horse in history. Her clones seem polo horse in history. Her clones seem to be just as gifted. Are they all as to be just as gifted. Are they all as to be just as gifted. Are they all as good? I want to call her mama. I don't good? I want to call her mama. I don't good? I want to call her mama. I don't think that's probably the right word. think that's probably the right word. think that's probably the right word. >> The original. >> The original. >> The original. >> The original. Are they all as good? >> The original. Are they all as good? >> The original. Are they all as good? >> I already won two Argentine opens with >> I already won two Argentine opens with >> I already won two Argentine opens with the clones. So, they will end up being the clones. So, they will end up being the clones. So, they will end up being as good as her. I think as good as her. I think as good as her. I think >> Quatatera's clones are identified by >> Quatatera's clones are identified by >> Quatatera's clones are identified by numbers. numbers. numbers. >> Shouldn't they have names? >> Shouldn't they have names? >> Shouldn't they have names? >> They have names. Well, they don't >> They have names. Well, they don't >> They have names. Well, they don't >> Yeah, but >> Yeah, but >> Yeah, but >> O 1 2 3 4. >> O 1 2 3 4. >> O 1 2 3 4. >> Is that your idea? >> Is that your idea? >> Is that your idea? >> Yes, because I I believe that she is a >> Yes, because I I believe that she is a >> Yes, because I I believe that she is a quartetera. All of the ones that I quartetera. All of the ones that I quartetera. All of the ones that I write, they're quarteteras. write, they're quarteteras. write, they're quarteteras. >> So, you actually think >> So, you actually think >> So, you actually think >> she's quartetera when I play. >> she's quartetera when I play. >> she's quartetera when I play. >> When you So, six is quadera and when >> When you So, six is quadera and when >> When you So, six is quadera and when you're on nine, it's the same thing. you're on nine, it's the same thing. you're on nine, it's the same thing. >> But she's an individual. >> But she's an individual. >> But she's an individual. >> Yes. But the DN D D D D D D D D D D D D >> Yes. But the DN D D D D D D D D D D D D >> Yes. But the DN D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D DN. D D D D D D D DN. D D D D D D D DN. >> Yeah, but when you have identical twins, >> Yeah, but when you have identical twins, >> Yeah, but when you have identical twins, they each get a name.

they each get a name. they each get a name. >> But this is not twins, it's a clone. >> But this is not twins, it's a clone. >> But this is not twins, it's a clone. >> They can now create 100 clones a year. >> They can now create 100 clones a year. >> They can now create 100 clones a year. And they're using them and Adalfo's And they're using them and Adalfo's And they're using them and Adalfo's already successful breeding business. already successful breeding business. already successful breeding business. They mate the clones with champion They mate the clones with champion They mate the clones with champion horses and sell their FO for up to horses and sell their FO for up to horses and sell their FO for up to $250,000. $250,000. $250,000. But they never sell the clones. You sell But they never sell the clones. You sell But they never sell the clones. You sell the clone, you sell the blood, you sell the clone, you sell the blood, you sell the clone, you sell the blood, you sell the line, you sell the DNA, you sell the line, you sell the DNA, you sell the line, you sell the DNA, you sell everything. If you sell the clone, everything. If you sell the clone, everything. If you sell the clone, >> we keep the the key of the genetics. And >> we keep the the key of the genetics. And >> we keep the the key of the genetics. And this was the the I think the the the this was the the I think the the the this was the the I think the the the good business to make uh that decision good business to make uh that decision good business to make uh that decision in the past. in the past. in the past. >> The idea of never selling the clones >> The idea of never selling the clones >> The idea of never selling the clones came from Ernesto Gutierrez, a shrewd came from Ernesto Gutierrez, a shrewd came from Ernesto Gutierrez, a shrewd Argentine businessman who became a third Argentine businessman who became a third Argentine businessman who became a third partner in the cloning venture. The partner in the cloning venture. The partner in the cloning venture. The cloning operation was set up here on his cloning operation was set up here on his cloning operation was set up here on his 500 acre property outside Buenazaris 500 acre property outside Buenazaris 500 acre property outside Buenazaris that includes three polo fields and a that includes three polo fields and a that includes three polo fields and a nursery where the clones are born. They nursery where the clones are born. They nursery where the clones are born. They are carried by surrogate mayors who are carried by surrogate mayors who are carried by surrogate mayors who treat them like their own. Are these all treat them like their own. Are these all treat them like their own. Are these all cloned babies?

cloned babies? cloned babies? >> Clone babies. Yeah. >> Clone babies. Yeah. >> Clone babies. Yeah. >> And these are the surrogate mothers. And >> And these are the surrogate mothers. And >> And these are the surrogate mothers. And does the does the mother think it's does the does the mother think it's does the does the mother think it's totally her baby? totally her baby? totally her baby? >> Totally. Totally. Look at that. >> Totally. Totally. Look at that. >> Totally. Totally. Look at that. Gutierrez took us back to see the newest Gutierrez took us back to see the newest Gutierrez took us back to see the newest one. That 3-week old clone of Quatatera one. That 3-week old clone of Quatatera one. That 3-week old clone of Quatatera who has her own nurse. who has her own nurse. who has her own nurse. >> Sweet. Oh, and Frisky. >> Sweet. Oh, and Frisky. >> Sweet. Oh, and Frisky. Oh, look at that. Oh my. >> Not everyone in Polo thinks cloning is a >> Not everyone in Polo thinks cloning is a good idea, including Adulo Combiaso's good idea, including Adulo Combiaso's good idea, including Adulo Combiaso's main rival, an opponent at the final of main rival, an opponent at the final of main rival, an opponent at the final of the Argentine Open. There's a lot of the Argentine Open. There's a lot of the Argentine Open. There's a lot of guys cloning, but I think that they have guys cloning, but I think that they have guys cloning, but I think that they have to be careful, you know, because the to be careful, you know, because the to be careful, you know, because the thing is that they're opening too much, thing is that they're opening too much, thing is that they're opening too much, you know. I mean, you know. I mean, you know. I mean, >> the door is boxed. They open the lid and >> the door is boxed. They open the lid and >> the door is boxed. They open the lid and all the problems come out. all the problems come out. all the problems come out. >> Fakundo Pierre is number two in the >> Fakundo Pierre is number two in the >> Fakundo Pierre is number two in the world right behind a do. He showed us world right behind a do. He showed us world right behind a do. He showed us what he can do like dribble a 3-in ball what he can do like dribble a 3-in ball what he can do like dribble a 3-in ball in the air while galloping down the in the air while galloping down the in the air while galloping down the field 20 m an hour.

He's the captain of Ellerstina, an old He's the captain of Ellerstina, an old school team made up of three brothers school team made up of three brothers school team made up of three brothers and a cousin. They're committed to and a cousin. They're committed to and a cousin. They're committed to keeping it a family enterprise. keeping it a family enterprise. keeping it a family enterprise. >> Do you ever get angry at each other and >> Do you ever get angry at each other and >> Do you ever get angry at each other and >> Yes. [laughter] >> Yes. [laughter] >> Yes. [laughter] >> Yes, but in a good way. It never never >> Yes, but in a good way. It never never >> Yes, but in a good way. It never never bad. bad. bad. >> His team is headquartered at another >> His team is headquartered at another >> His team is headquartered at another sprawling estate where they operate a sprawling estate where they operate a sprawling estate where they operate a multi-million dollar breeding business multi-million dollar breeding business multi-million dollar breeding business selling fos and embryos. They believe selling fos and embryos. They believe selling fos and embryos. They believe they can produce better horses through they can produce better horses through they can produce better horses through their breeding practices by mixing the their breeding practices by mixing the their breeding practices by mixing the DNA of two different horses rather than DNA of two different horses rather than DNA of two different horses rather than by replicating just one. by replicating just one. by replicating just one. >> We want to keep it this way and what we >> We want to keep it this way and what we >> We want to keep it this way and what we have here is amazing. have here is amazing. have here is amazing. >> In polo, what's more important, >> In polo, what's more important, >> In polo, what's more important, the horse or the player? I was told that the horse or the player? I was told that the horse or the player? I was told that it's 80% the horse. it's 80% the horse. it's 80% the horse. >> Yes, I agree. No offense. >> Yes, I agree. No offense. >> Yes, I agree. No offense. >> No, I agree. I agree. I totally agree. I >> No, I agree. I agree. I totally agree. I >> No, I agree. I agree. I totally agree. I think that the horses, but of course, think that the horses, but of course, think that the horses, but of course, you need to have a little bit of of you need to have a little bit of of you need to have a little bit of of talent and ability and and and and talent and ability and and and and talent and ability and and and and experience in the head, you know.

experience in the head, you know. experience in the head, you know. >> Fakundo's team, Ellerstina, has made it >> Fakundo's team, Ellerstina, has made it >> Fakundo's team, Ellerstina, has made it to the finals the last four years, but to the finals the last four years, but to the finals the last four years, but lost each time to Adulo Combaso's team. lost each time to Adulo Combaso's team. lost each time to Adulo Combaso's team. Fueling the rivalry on the field is a Fueling the rivalry on the field is a Fueling the rivalry on the field is a bitter history between them. Adulo bitter history between them. Adulo bitter history between them. Adulo played on the Ellstina team for 9 years. played on the Ellstina team for 9 years. played on the Ellstina team for 9 years. because of what happened that I left. because of what happened that I left. because of what happened that I left. The rivalry is The rivalry is The rivalry is >> intense. >> intense. >> intense. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> To this minute. >> To this minute. >> To this minute. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Do you feel it too? >> Do you feel it too? >> Do you feel it too? >> But it's fun. >> But it's fun. >> But it's fun. >> You got to have to be better player too. >> You got to have to be better player too. >> You got to have to be better player too. >> There's more. Before he left Ellerstina, >> There's more. Before he left Ellerstina, >> There's more. Before he left Ellerstina, Adulo bought Quarteterra as an embryo Adulo bought Quarteterra as an embryo Adulo bought Quarteterra as an embryo from the Pierre's family. The very horse from the Pierre's family. The very horse from the Pierre's family. The very horse he is now cloning to compete against he is now cloning to compete against he is now cloning to compete against them. I was lucky to end up with them. I was lucky to end up with them. I was lucky to end up with Gordeta. Gordeta. Gordeta. >> You clone from the best horse in the >> You clone from the best horse in the >> You clone from the best horse in the world. world. world. >> But she born in my farm. I create her. >> But she born in my farm. I create her. >> But she born in my farm. I create her. >> There are people who object to cloning >> There are people who object to cloning >> There are people who object to cloning on religious grounds or on moral on religious grounds or on moral on religious grounds or on moral grounds. So what is the answer when grounds. So what is the answer when grounds. So what is the answer when people challenge you? When they say man people challenge you? When they say man people challenge you? When they say man should not be doing this because of should not be doing this because of should not be doing this because of these difficult spiritual questions.

these difficult spiritual questions. these difficult spiritual questions. >> I I don't see it wrong to be honest. I'm >> I I don't see it wrong to be honest. I'm >> I I don't see it wrong to be honest. I'm just doing something for to improve my just doing something for to improve my just doing something for to improve my game, my sport. And I think uh the game, my sport. And I think uh the game, my sport. And I think uh the quartetas, it did improve my game, my quartetas, it did improve my game, my quartetas, it did improve my game, my sport, and I'm not going farther than sport, and I'm not going farther than sport, and I'm not going farther than that. that. that. >> But is there an unfair advantage in >> But is there an unfair advantage in >> But is there an unfair advantage in terms of the game, in terms of the terms of the game, in terms of the terms of the game, in terms of the sport? sport? sport? >> No, because everybody's able to clone >> No, because everybody's able to clone >> No, because everybody's able to clone now. Everybody's kind of trying to start now. Everybody's kind of trying to start now. Everybody's kind of trying to start cloning. So the advantage is that I did cloning. So the advantage is that I did cloning. So the advantage is that I did it seven years ago. So in 30 years, it seven years ago. So in 30 years, it seven years ago. So in 30 years, people will still be riding Quadera. people will still be riding Quadera. people will still be riding Quadera. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> So it could go on forever. >> So it could go on forever. >> So it could go on forever. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Alan Mer, the Texas businessman who's >> Alan Mer, the Texas businessman who's >> Alan Mer, the Texas businessman who's Adulo's cloning partner, is well aware Adulo's cloning partner, is well aware Adulo's cloning partner, is well aware of the controversy around cloning of the controversy around cloning of the controversy around cloning technology in the US and the ban against technology in the US and the ban against technology in the US and the ban against it in thoroughbred horse racing. it in thoroughbred horse racing. it in thoroughbred horse racing. >> Is a a really good polo player. Does he >> Is a a really good polo player. Does he >> Is a a really good polo player. Does he have a an unfair advantage if he's on a have a an unfair advantage if he's on a have a an unfair advantage if he's on a clone of one of the best polo horses clone of one of the best polo horses clone of one of the best polo horses ever?

ever? ever? >> Of course. Um, horses are 80% of the >> Of course. Um, horses are 80% of the >> Of course. Um, horses are 80% of the game anyway. So, if Fakundo Pieras finds game anyway. So, if Fakundo Pieras finds game anyway. So, if Fakundo Pieras finds a horse that is better than Quatatera, a horse that is better than Quatatera, a horse that is better than Quatatera, then he has an advantage over his then he has an advantage over his then he has an advantage over his competitor. competitor. competitor. >> But he'll have only one and that horse >> But he'll have only one and that horse >> But he'll have only one and that horse will get tired and they'll have to will get tired and they'll have to will get tired and they'll have to switch to another horse in the game. switch to another horse in the game. switch to another horse in the game. Whereas Adafa will have eight, Whereas Adafa will have eight, Whereas Adafa will have eight, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> So it's still an advantage, >> So it's still an advantage, >> So it's still an advantage, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> Is that fair? >> Is that fair? >> Is that fair? >> Under the rules, it's fair. There's no >> Under the rules, it's fair. There's no >> Under the rules, it's fair. There's no >> I know. But the game restriction on >> I know. But the game restriction on >> I know. But the game restriction on sportsmanship, just the nature of the sportsmanship, just the nature of the sportsmanship, just the nature of the game. Has this changed the very essence game. Has this changed the very essence game. Has this changed the very essence of the game of polo? of the game of polo? of the game of polo? >> No. I think what it's done is it's >> No. I think what it's done is it's >> No. I think what it's done is it's probably raised the bar. probably raised the bar. probably raised the bar. >> You're going to have to clone. >> You're going to have to clone. >> You're going to have to clone. >> Could be. Yes. Do you have any moral >> Could be. Yes. Do you have any moral >> Could be. Yes. Do you have any moral problems with cloning a human being? problems with cloning a human being? problems with cloning a human being? >> Yes, [snorts] >> Yes, [snorts] >> Yes, [snorts] I disagree with it. I know a good I disagree with it. I know a good I disagree with it. I know a good reason, lots of good reasons to clone uh reason, lots of good reasons to clone uh reason, lots of good reasons to clone uh body parts like hearts and lungs and body parts like hearts and lungs and body parts like hearts and lungs and pancreases if it could be done in a pancreases if it could be done in a pancreases if it could be done in a productive manner that can save lives.

productive manner that can save lives. productive manner that can save lives. But I've been asked by some of the But I've been asked by some of the But I've been asked by some of the wealthiest people on planet Earth to wealthiest people on planet Earth to wealthiest people on planet Earth to clone a human being. And they have clone a human being. And they have clone a human being. And they have >> absolutely and the answer is always a >> absolutely and the answer is always a >> absolutely and the answer is always a resounding no. resounding no. resounding no. >> Well, they must have a reason >> Well, they must have a reason >> Well, they must have a reason >> and they won't give it to me. >> and they won't give it to me. >> and they won't give it to me. >> They don't tell you why. >> They don't tell you why. >> They don't tell you why. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> I'm thinking if science can do it, >> I'm thinking if science can do it, >> I'm thinking if science can do it, science will do it. And maybe one day, science will do it. And maybe one day, science will do it. And maybe one day, you know, there'll be clones and we'll you know, there'll be clones and we'll you know, there'll be clones and we'll laugh at all the people who are laugh at all the people who are laugh at all the people who are questioning the morality of it. Now, questioning the morality of it. Now, questioning the morality of it. Now, >> someday someone will do it. >> someday someone will do it. >> someday someone will do it. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And we will either laugh or we will cry. >> And we will either laugh or we will cry. >> And we will either laugh or we will cry. But I'm not going to be the one to take But I'm not going to be the one to take But I'm not going to be the one to take that that leap. that that leap. that that leap. >> It could be done today. >> It could be done today. >> It could be done today. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I assume there'd be a big difference >> I assume there'd be a big difference >> I assume there'd be a big difference between a horse and a human. Lots of between a horse and a human. Lots of between a horse and a human. Lots of differences. differences. differences. >> Surprisingly little. >> Surprisingly little. >> Surprisingly little. >> Yeah, surprisingly little. >> Yeah, surprisingly little. >> Yeah, surprisingly little. >> At the final match at the Argentine >> At the final match at the Argentine >> At the final match at the Argentine Open, the DOS team and the clones were Open, the DOS team and the clones were Open, the DOS team and the clones were expected to win. But 7 minutes in, expected to win. But 7 minutes in, expected to win. But 7 minutes in, Fakundo's team was ahead three goals to Fakundo's team was ahead three goals to Fakundo's team was ahead three goals to one. [cheering] The Dolphos team fought one. [cheering] The Dolphos team fought one. [cheering] The Dolphos team fought back. At halftime, the score was the back. At halftime, the score was the back. At halftime, the score was the Cloner seven, the Breeders six.

Cloner seven, the Breeders six. Cloner seven, the Breeders six. It was so tense that at times it was as It was so tense that at times it was as It was so tense that at times it was as quiet as a tennis match. quiet as a tennis match. quiet as a tennis match. The end of the game was thrilling. As The end of the game was thrilling. As The end of the game was thrilling. As expected, Adulo's team was ahead 13-10. expected, Adulo's team was ahead 13-10. expected, Adulo's team was ahead 13-10. But then Fakundo's team in a final blast But then Fakundo's team in a final blast But then Fakundo's team in a final blast came back to tie the match. came back to tie the match. came back to tie the match. >> I never think I'm going to lose. I never >> I never think I'm going to lose. I never >> I never think I'm going to lose. I never >> Well, we saw you right before the >> Well, we saw you right before the >> Well, we saw you right before the overtime. overtime. overtime. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And here you are like that. >> And here you are like that. >> And here you are like that. >> In that moment, I was trying to think >> In that moment, I was trying to think >> In that moment, I was trying to think which is the best horse for that moment. which is the best horse for that moment. which is the best horse for that moment. >> He debated should it be quartet nine or >> He debated should it be quartet nine or >> He debated should it be quartet nine or five? Finally, he picked number six. five? Finally, he picked number six. five? Finally, he picked number six. >> [cheering] >> [cheering] >> [cheering] >> In the first minute of the sudden death >> In the first minute of the sudden death >> In the first minute of the sudden death overtime, Fakundo's team lost control of overtime, Fakundo's team lost control of overtime, Fakundo's team lost control of the ball. Adalfo's team recovered and the ball. Adalfo's team recovered and the ball. Adalfo's team recovered and Adalfo on his mighty Quartetera 6 outran Adalfo on his mighty Quartetera 6 outran Adalfo on his mighty Quartetera 6 outran everyone and whacked the ball, everyone and whacked the ball, everyone and whacked the ball, >> setting up the winning shot.

watching, you had to wonder, was it the watching, you had to wonder, was it the clones or the world's best player that clones or the world's best player that clones or the world's best player that made the difference?